Recent UFO hearings

[TripleThreat]

Sooooooo what exactly is going on? I don’t see a UFO thread and it seems congress is currently and has been having sessions with “whistleblowers” about UFO’s. What these guys are saying is essentially telling us we are 100% not alone and our private contractors have all the information and evidence to prove this. With that said, are these guys credible??

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Good point. Which tells us that no one yet knows what they are or has had any productive communications with them.

What we know now is that we can't reproduce their propulsion systems, and that's it. It's possible that we've managed to capture or find some and learn some tech to build iPhones or something, but that's the best we've done.

However, I find it interesting that most sightings occur in more advanced countries. We don't hear about sightings in the Congo or Laos or Bolivia. Why is that? It's possible that aliens have lowered the priority on those area for obvious reasons, or it's possible that they're terrestrial and some top-secret Russian thing, or it's possible that citizens in the more advanced countries are better able to reject identifying everything in the sky as some sort of plane.

I would imagine in the less advanced countries there are less opportunities or mechanisms to report these things so they go unreported.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Not to mention the jamming of active radar to prevent target lock and being observed by an AGEIS Class Guided Missile Destroyer's multiple radar systems including the SPY-1 (Passive Electronic Scanning) radar dropping from 80,000 feet to 50 feet in seconds and then back to 80,000 feet.

ah, thx, you reminded of another clip I asked one of my buddies about. There's a clip of one of the tictacs that seems to grow and shrink several times. I asked my buddy if the pilot was just going through a zoom cycle or something and he said 'no. According to the HUD, the pilot is chasing the object at about 500 kts, when the tictac suddenly increases speed to several times that of the Hornet, apparently instantaneously or nearly so, then flies back towards the Hornet at about the same rate, then assumes the same speed/course as the Hornet .'

The tictac performs this maneuver several times in just a few seconds in the clip. I asked my buddy how many Gs he thought it would take to perform such a maneuver, and he said, 'dozens, maybe as many as a hundred.'

The F/A-18, a front-line USN fighter plane, is capable of just 30-odd Gs (the airframe, longitudinally, not the crew. humans can only survive a dozen Gs or so, and just for a second or a fraction of a second).

[jerryaldini]

Originally Posted by JimNasium

What about Bigfoot though?

I'm more into him personally, and professionally

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by jerryaldini

I'm more into him personally, and professionally

Bigfoot clearly has a mandate to make America healthy again

Let Bigfoot work his healing magic on us all

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Not to mention the jamming of active radar to prevent target lock and being observed by an AGEIS Class Guided Missile Destroyer's multiple radar systems including the SPY-1 (Passive Electronic Scanning) radar dropping from 80,000 feet to 50 feet in seconds and then back to 80,000 feet.

Exactly.

As well as tracked by the CVNs operating in the areas.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

Phil Collins had it right

It’s no fun, being an illegal alien?

[Smed1065]

Originally Posted by R Clark

If they land in your yard do you take a shot at them ?

All 200 rounds from every gun I own. Then I will report back, maybe.

[burt]

Originally Posted by Smed1065

All 200 rounds from every gun I own. Then I will report back, maybe.

I'm thinking that would be a bad idea....

[srvy]

They say that the Puerta Rico UFO has been solved. The was tracked by a Navy Fighter Jet in 2014. Its been a mystery all these years.

They say it was a Lantern that was released during a celebration that rose high into unusually strong winds.

[vonBobo]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Lol, 99% of people don't know what they're seeing in those "grainy tic tac" videos, because they aren't pilots/aerodynamacists and have less than no idea exactly what all the information/data that's right there in front of their eyes on those clips. Hell, I didn't know a lot of it and I'm a commercial pilot; I asked my buddies at work, that were retired USAF/USN pilots, that used that same gear on a daily basis before I really understood what was there.

First things first: the videos are grainy because the DoD maxed out the magnification to produce that grainy effect.

Things like the fact that there's no variation in the surface of the object, except that those cameras, even in IR, are HD, so normally the pilot can see any control surfaces/control surface movements, variations in heat signatures around things like exhaust nozzles, canopies, even the difference in heat from the leading edge of a wing vs. a fuselage panel, etc. that normally, if the FLIR were pointed at a Russian fighterplane, they'd easily be able to tell exactly which make/model of fighter they were looking at, even in IR. In fact, I've seen HD IR video that shows the tail number of the aircraft, the systems are that sensitive.

Except there aren't any in those tictac videos. No control surfaces. No variations of any kind in temps across the vehicle. No visible wings, inlets, windows, seams, no painted/inscribed markings, nothing. Completely smooth.

Or the fact that humanity has never created a propulsion system that doesn't produce heat, and that heat is clearly visible in IR mode at high altitudes where the OAT is usually below freezing.

But there aren't any visible heat plumes in any of the videos. At 30,000 ft, moving against a 100-kt wind, there'd have to be some kind of thrust discharge. Even if they were covered rotors, like some kind of sci-fi craft, the compression of the air through the rotors would produce some heat that the IR sensors would pick up, usually as a 'wave' effect around/below the rotor(s). But there's no heat at all.

What you can see, and one of my F/A-18 buddies pointed it out, was actually a ring of colder air behind/around the tictac. He didn't know what that ring was, and said it looked a little like a diffused exhaust plume, but that was impossible.

Because to produce that kind of effect, you'd be talking about a propulsion system that produced thrust at many degrees colder than the surface of the craft and the surrounding air, which was probably already below freezing, due to the altitude it was traveling at.

Except again, there's no such propulsion system in human history. So, how'd they engineer a propulsion system that doesn't produce any heat, but in fact produces propulsion that is many degrees colder than freezing?

Answer: they didn't, because they can't. We, humans, can't even conceive of a propulsion system that doesn't produce heat, because the very act of producing thrust requires that some chemical reaction takes place, and one of the necessary byproducts of human-engineered thrust systems through chemical reaction is heat, duh.

There's another one, and I don't remember the nickname they gave it, but it looks like a child's top, and it rotates slowly in the clip, at 25,000 ft. Sorry, but again, we can't do that.

The air is so thin at that altitude that we can't make an aircraft that rotates about it's longitudinal axis (or any axis for that matter) without losing altitude, without a significant aspect change (the nose would have to tip up several degrees to increase the Angle of Attack to compensate for the loss of lift). And again, there'd have to be a large increase in thrust to hold altitude. But there's neither any aspect change nor is there any increase in thrust.

And again, not my words/thoughts, but the words/thoughts of several former veteran USN/USAF fighter pilots that I worked with and know personally.

And any commercial pilot would know that anyway. Whenever I attempt even a stand-rate turn above 20,000 ft. I have to increase my AoA or increase thrust, or the plane will start to descend. Simple, irrefutable aerodynamics.

And there's a lot more information in those videos that the average dipstick wouldn't see, simply because they aren't versed in what those systems can actually record.

I love aviation from pterodactyls to space shuttles. I love aliens, grew up watching all of the Hollywood versions.

The fact that only a small number of people even understand what they are seeing on a MFD, and then those people can't even explain how or why these blobs are breaking the laws of physics makes me to want more proof, not less.

There are 5 billion smartphones with video cameras on the planet and we are looking at grainy blobs.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by vonBobo

I love aviation from pterodactyls to space shuttles. I love aliens, grew up watching all of the Hollywood versions.

The fact that only a small number of people even understand what they are seeing on a MFD, and then those people can't even explain how or why these blobs are breaking the laws of physics makes me to want more proof, not less.

There are 5 billion smartphones with video cameras on the planet and we are looking at grainy blobs.

Have you ever used a cellphone to try and take a picture of a full moon?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by vonBobo

I love aviation from pterodactyls to space shuttles. I love aliens, grew up watching all of the Hollywood versions.

The fact that only a small number of people even understand what they are seeing on a MFD, and then those people can't even explain how or why these blobs are breaking the laws of physics makes me to want more proof, not less.

There are 5 billion smartphones with video cameras on the planet and we are looking at grainy blobs.

Ah, you ever try to take a pic of something half-a-mile away or more with your smartphone from inside a fighterplane cockpit?

[cmh6476]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

Phil Collins had it right

Su su sudio?

[Fish]

Extraodinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Decades upon decades of extraordinary claims. Same utter lack of irrefutable evidence. Hard to take them seriously at this point.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by vonBobo

I love aviation from pterodactyls to space shuttles. I love aliens, grew up watching all of the Hollywood versions.

The fact that only a small number of people even understand what they are seeing on a MFD, and then those people can't even explain how or why these blobs are breaking the laws of physics makes me to want more proof, not less.

There are 5 billion smartphones with video cameras on the planet and we are looking at grainy blobs.

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Have you ever used a cellphone to try and take a picture of a full moon?

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Ah, you ever try to take a pic of something half-a-mile away or more with your smartphone from inside a fighterplane cockpit?

Have you ever tried to take a picture through a closed window and a steamy shower curtain while balanced on a tree branch in the dark over a barking dog?