Recent UFO hearings

[TripleThreat]

Sooooooo what exactly is going on? I don’t see a UFO thread and it seems congress is currently and has been having sessions with “whistleblowers” about UFO’s. What these guys are saying is essentially telling us we are 100% not alone and our private contractors have all the information and evidence to prove this. With that said, are these guys credible??

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by DRM08

I think a lot of people won't care about the alien stuff unless one of them shows up in their front yard. 99% of the folks out there are just trying to get through daily life without thinking too much about this topic.

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[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Can any of these aliens play left tackle?

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

We need to be the first fan forum to reach out to the aliens!

I suspect that there's an entire civilization of elite left tackles out there. I also suspect that Brett Veach has been in contact with them.

[Rain Man]

The key question here is, if the government has proof of extraterrestrial civilization, why has the information not been shared?

Some here are assuming that it's about profit and power. That's certainly a viable theory, which we'll call Theory 1. I'd think it's less about profit since it hasn't been put to use (that we know of) commercially. I could see militaries using it and not wanting to show it. I think this theory is not overly likely because this isn't the use of discovered artifacts. They're still coming around, so something more must be happening.

Theory 2 is that they're not sharing the information because they fear that it'll undermine some elements of society. Clearly, a lot of creation theories in religions will become obsolete. However, this is unlikely because this sort of things can be studied, and religions are very adept at adjusting their messaging as dictated by real-world events.

Theory 3 is that it's known that an alien fleet is on its way to destroy us, and it'll destroy civilization if that information becomes public. A concealment could be either benevolent or it could be to buy time to build defenses. I think this is unlikely because the various nations would likely be working together for the greater good instead of fighting and posturing like normal.

Theory 4 is that we're in contact with the aliens and are negotiating some sort of agreement. This agreement could be friendly or it could be negotiating a surrender and some sort of subservient role. I think this is highly possible, though it's taking too long to be my favorite theory.

Theory 5 is that we know they're around, but we can't make contact with them yet. The UFOs are likely drones for a variety of reasons, so we're just seeing reconnaissance vehicles as they learn about us or monitor us. We may be concealing their existence until we can figure out why they're here.


I think it's Theory 5. We can't figure out who they are and why they're here, so it's not public yet. Theory 1 is merely an outcome of the fact that we've managed to learn some things in the process, and we're putting that learning to use.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by DRM08

I think a lot of people won't care about the alien stuff unless one of them shows up in their front yard. 99% of the folks out there are just trying to get through daily life without thinking too much about this topic.

If they land in your yard do you take a shot at them ?

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The key question here is, if the government has proof of extraterrestrial civilization, why has the information not been shared?

Some here are assuming that it's about profit and power. That's certainly a viable theory, which we'll call Theory 1. I'd think it's less about profit since it hasn't been put to use (that we know of) commercially. I could see militaries using it and not wanting to show it. I think this theory is not overly likely because this isn't the use of discovered artifacts. They're still coming around, so something more must be happening.

Theory 2 is that they're not sharing the information because they fear that it'll undermine some elements of society. Clearly, a lot of creation theories in religions will become obsolete. However, this is unlikely because this sort of things can be studied, and religions are very adept at adjusting their messaging as dictated by real-world events.

Theory 3 is that it's known that an alien fleet is on its way to destroy us, and it'll destroy civilization if that information becomes public. A concealment could be either benevolent or it could be to buy time to build defenses. I think this is unlikely because the various nations would likely be working together for the greater good instead of fighting and posturing like normal.

Theory 4 is that we're in contact with the aliens and are negotiating some sort of agreement. This agreement could be friendly or it could be negotiating a surrender and some sort of subservient role. I think this is highly possible, though it's taking too long to be my favorite theory.

Theory 5 is that we know they're around, but we can't make contact with them yet. The UFOs are likely drones for a variety of reasons, so we're just seeing reconnaissance vehicles as they learn about us or monitor us. We may be concealing their existence until we can figure out why they're here.


I think it's Theory 5. We can't figure out who they are and why they're here, so it's not public yet. Theory 1 is merely an outcome of the fact that we've managed to learn some things in the process, and we're putting that learning to use.

I have been listening to Luis Elizondo’s book Imminent and he talks A LOT about powerful people in high level government positions allowing their religious beliefs to absolutely sabotage any true scientific inquiry. In one particular case he was told by a superior “we know what they are and where they are from …demons and hell….I was dumbfounded when I heard this.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

I have been listening to Luis Elizondo’s book Imminent and he talks A LOT about powerful people in high level government positions allowing their religious beliefs to absolutely sabotage any true scientific inquiry. In one particular case he was told be a superior “we know what they are and where they are from …demons and hell….I was dumbfounded when I heard this.

Well, that wouldn't be good.

We humans do have an ingrained predisposition to kill things that are unfamiliar, though.

[vonBobo]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

The government achieved their goal of debunking UFO evidence to the point of the public now simply automatically disbelieves any UFO evidence decades ago

It's simple: decades ago, the government began their propaganda campaign of debunking any and all UFO evidence, and it worked. The general public now simply goes along with that systemic disbelief out of habit. So, now that the government is essentially admitting that there are things out there in our airspace that they can't explain, things that actually exist, that aren't swamp gas or odd cloud formations or whatever, the public just waves all of it off as crazy talk, because that's what they've been trained to do.


And tbf, it's a pretty scary thing to finally admit to oneself that aliens exist and that they're not only visiting our planet, but that they can do anything the heck they want, and we can't do anything about it. Based on the technology we've witnessed, we can't harm them or even slow them down, so if they wanted to, they could erase every single one of us the way we would exterminate ants in our backyard. It's a frightening thought.

So it's not surprising at al that 99.99%+ of people just won't allow themselves to even consider the idea of UFOs being real. In fact, it's completely normal human behavior.

I still remember the story of the botanist J.Banks, who wrote an account of his travels with Capt. Cook aboard the HMS Endeavor, in which he recounted the fact that when the ship arrived in Botany Bay, AUS and the natives couldn't even see the ship. A 100+ ft long ship with sails/masts dozens of feet tall was so far outside their understanding that they simply didn't see it.


When I finally realized that UFOs were in fact real, and that they couldn't possibly be the product of human technology, I admit I had a few hours of real fear. It was as seminal a moment in my life as any occurrence in my life. Maybe more than any other. And I always hoped that aliens/UFOs were real. I can imagine that for a non-believer, the shattering of life-long beliefs would be much more devastating.

Most people would be ecstatic to see proof of aliens life. A lot of those people don't know for sure that a grainy tic tac = E T.

Also the invisible ship is a myth.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The key question here is, if the government has proof of extraterrestrial civilization, why has the information not been shared?

Some here are assuming that it's about profit and power. That's certainly a viable theory, which we'll call Theory 1. I'd think it's less about profit since it hasn't been put to use (that we know of) commercially. I could see militaries using it and not wanting to show it. I think this theory is not overly likely because this isn't the use of discovered artifacts. They're still coming around, so something more must be happening.

Theory 2 is that they're not sharing the information because they fear that it'll undermine some elements of society. Clearly, a lot of creation theories in religions will become obsolete. However, this is unlikely because this sort of things can be studied, and religions are very adept at adjusting their messaging as dictated by real-world events.

Theory 3 is that it's known that an alien fleet is on its way to destroy us, and it'll destroy civilization if that information becomes public. A concealment could be either benevolent or it could be to buy time to build defenses. I think this is unlikely because the various nations would likely be working together for the greater good instead of fighting and posturing like normal.

Theory 4 is that we're in contact with the aliens and are negotiating some sort of agreement. This agreement could be friendly or it could be negotiating a surrender and some sort of subservient role. I think this is highly possible, though it's taking too long to be my favorite theory.

Theory 5 is that we know they're around, but we can't make contact with them yet. The UFOs are likely drones for a variety of reasons, so we're just seeing reconnaissance vehicles as they learn about us or monitor us. We may be concealing their existence until we can figure out why they're here.


I think it's Theory 5. We can't figure out who they are and why they're here, so it's not public yet. Theory 1 is merely an outcome of the fact that we've managed to learn some things in the process, and we're putting that learning to use.

What also causes some pause with me is that there are about 200 countries in the world and not 1 is spilling the beans regarding aliens? I'd assume their interest isn't just in the United States.

[Rainbarrel]

The Galaxy's Jehovah Witnesses

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by vonBobo

Most people would be ecstatic to see proof of aliens life. A lot of those people don't know for sure that a grainy tic tac = E T.

Also the invisible ship is a myth.

Lol, 99% of people don't know what they're seeing in those "grainy tic tac" videos, because they aren't pilots/aerodynamacists and have less than no idea exactly what all the information/data that's right there in front of their eyes on those clips. Hell, I didn't know a lot of it and I'm a commercial pilot; I asked my buddies at work, that were retired USAF/USN pilots, that used that same gear on a daily basis before I really understood what was there.

First things first: the videos are grainy because the DoD maxed out the magnification to produce that grainy effect.

Things like the fact that there's no variation in the surface of the object, except that those cameras, even in IR, are HD, so normally the pilot can see any control surfaces/control surface movements, variations in heat signatures around things like exhaust nozzles, canopies, even the difference in heat from the leading edge of a wing vs. a fuselage panel, etc. that normally, if the FLIR were pointed at a Russian fighterplane, they'd easily be able to tell exactly which make/model of fighter they were looking at, even in IR.

Except there aren't any in those tictac videos. No control surfaces. No variations of any kind in temps across the vehicle. No visible wings, inlets, windows, seams, nothing. Completely smooth.

Or the fact that humanity has never created a propulsion system that doesn't produce heat, and that heat is clearly visible in IR mode at high altitudes where the OAT is usually below freezing.

But there aren't any visible heat plumes in any of the videos. At 30,000 ft, moving against a 100-kt wind, there'd have to be some kind of thrust discharge. Even if they were covered rotors, like some kind of sci-fi craft, the compression of the air through the rotors would produce some heat that the IR sensors would pick up, usually as a 'wave' effect around/below the rotor(s). But there's no heat at all.

What you can see, and one of my F/A-18 buddies pointed it out, was actually a ring of colder air behind/around the tictac. He didn't know what that ring was, and said it looked a little like a diffused exhaust plume, but that was impossible.

Because to produce that kind of effect, you'd be talking about a propulsion system that produced thrust at many degrees colder than the surface of the craft and the surrounding air, which was probably already below freezing, due to the altitude it was traveling at.

Except again, there's no such propulsion system in human history. So, how'd they engineer a propulsion system that doesn't produce any heat, but in fact produces propulsion that is many degrees colder than freezing?

Answer: they didn't, because they can't. We, humans, can't even conceive of a propulsion system that doesn't produce heat, because the very act of producing thrust requires that some chemical reaction takes place, and one of the necessary byproducts of human-engineered thrust systems through chemical reaction is heat, duh.

There's another one, and I don't remember the nickname they gave it, but it looks like a child's top, and it rotates slowly in the clip, at 25,000 ft. Sorry, but again, we can't do that.

The air is so thin at that altitude that we can't make an aircraft that rotates about it's longitudinal axis (or any axis for that matter) without losing altitude, without a significant aspect change (the nose would have to tip up several degrees to increase the Angle of Attack to compensate for the loss of lift). And again, there'd have to be a large increase in thrust to hold altitude. But there's neither any aspect change nor is there any increase in thrust.

And again, not my words/thoughts, but the words/thoughts of several former veteran USN/USAF fighter pilots that I worked with and know personally.

And any commercial pilot would know that anyway. Whenever I attempt even a stand-rate turn above 20,000 ft. I have to increase my AoA or increase thrust, or the plane will start to descend. Simple, irrefutable aerodynamics.

And there's a lot more information in those videos that the average dipstick wouldn't see, simply because they aren't versed in what those systems can actually record.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

What also causes some pause with me is that there are about 200 countries in the world and not 1 is spilling the beans regarding aliens? I'd assume their interest isn't just in the United States.

Actually, several countries have gone public about the UFO/UAP encounters their pilots/citizens have admitted to. Don't remember them all because the list was several dozen long, but Brazil, UK, Italy or Portugal were all on the list.

[DJJasonp]

Lots of disinformation agents, so I’ll be skeptical (even though in my heart I feel we are not alone).

But as someone once said, never let a good crisis go to waste, so rest assured if info is released, it will be with the intent of having more control over the masses.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

What also causes some pause with me is that there are about 200 countries in the world and not 1 is spilling the beans regarding aliens? I'd assume their interest isn't just in the United States.

Good point. Which tells us that no one yet knows what they are or has had any productive communications with them.

What we know now is that we can't reproduce their propulsion systems, and that's it. It's possible that we've managed to capture or find some and learn some tech to build iPhones or something, but that's the best we've done.

However, I find it interesting that most sightings occur in more advanced countries. We don't hear about sightings in the Congo or Laos or Bolivia. Why is that? It's possible that aliens have lowered the priority on those area for obvious reasons, or it's possible that they're terrestrial and some top-secret Russian thing, or it's possible that citizens in the more advanced countries are better able to reject identifying everything in the sky as some sort of plane.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Lol, 99% of people don't know what they're seeing in those "grainy tic tac" videos, because they aren't pilots/aerodynamacists and have less than no idea exactly what all the information/data that's right there in front of their eyes on those clips. Hell, I didn't know a lot of it and I'm a commercial pilot; I asked my buddies at work, that were retired USAF/USN pilots, that used that same gear on a daily basis before I really understood what was there.

First things first: the videos are grainy because the DoD maxed out the magnification to produce that grainy effect.

Things like the fact that there's no variation in the surface of the object, except that those cameras, even in IR, are HD, so normally the pilot can see any control surfaces/control surface movements, variations in heat signatures around things like exhaust nozzles, canopies, even the difference in heat from the leading edge of a wing vs. a fuselage panel, etc. that normally, if the FLIR were pointed at a Russian fighterplane, they'd easily be able to tell exactly which make/model of fighter they were looking at, even in IR.

Except there aren't any in those tictac videos. No control surfaces. No variations of any kind in temps across the vehicle. No visible wings, inlets, windows, seams, nothing. Completely smooth.

Or the fact that humanity has never created a propulsion system that doesn't produce heat, and that heat is clearly visible in IR mode at high altitudes where the OAT is usually below freezing.

But there aren't any visible heat plumes in any of the videos. At 30,000 ft, moving against a 100-kt wind, there'd have to be some kind of thrust discharge. Even if they were covered rotors, like some kind of sci-fi craft, the compression of the air through the rotors would produce some heat that the IR sensors would pick up, usually as a 'wave' effect around/below the rotor(s). But there's no heat at all.

What you can see, and one of my F/A-18 buddies pointed it out, was actually a ring of colder air behind/around the tictac. He didn't know what that ring was, and said it looked a little like a diffused exhaust plume, but that was impossible.

Because to produce that kind of effect, you'd be talking about a propulsion system that produced thrust at many degrees colder than the surface of the craft and the surrounding air, which was probably already below freezing, due to the altitude it was traveling at.

Except again, there's no such propulsion system in human history. So, how'd they engineer a propulsion system that doesn't produce any heat, but in fact produces propulsion that is many degrees colder than freezing?

Answer: they didn't, because they can't. We, humans, can't even conceive of a propulsion system that doesn't produce heat, because the very act of producing thrust requires that some chemical reaction takes place, and one of the necessary byproducts of human-engineered thrust systems through chemical reaction is heat, duh.

There's another one, and I don't remember the nickname they gave it, but it looks like a child's top, and it rotates slowly in the clip, at 25,000 ft. Sorry, but again, we can't do that.

The air is so thin at that altitude that we can't make an aircraft that rotates about it's longitudinal axis (or any axis for that matter) without losing altitude, without a significant aspect change (the nose would have to tip up several degrees to increase the Angle of Attack to compensate for the loss of lift). And again, there'd have to be a large increase in thrust to hold altitude. But there's neither any aspect change nor is there any increase in thrust.

And again, not my words/thoughts, but the words/thoughts of several former veteran USN/USAF fighter pilots that I worked with and know personally.

And any commercial pilot would know that anyway. Whenever I attempt even a stand-rate turn above 20,000 ft. I have to increase my AoA or increase thrust, or the plane will start to descend. Simple, irrefutable aerodynamics.

And there's a lot more information in those videos that the average dipstick wouldn't see, simply because they aren't versed in what those systems can actually record.

Not to mention the jamming of active radar to prevent target lock and being observed by an AGEIS Class Guided Missile Destroyer's multiple radar systems including the SPY-1 (Passive Electronic Scanning) radar dropping from 80,000 feet to 50 feet in seconds and then back to 80,000 feet.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Actually, several countries have gone public about the UFO/UAP encounters their pilots/citizens have admitted to. Don't remember them all because the list was several dozen long, but Brazil, UK, Italy or Portugal were all on the list.

Belgium was big on sharing for a long time - we just don't know what they are or where they come from yet.

https://www.history.com/videos/bierset-belgium-ufos