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Feel like I heard this same thing 20 times last offseason. We are oh SO close!
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How much of a decline are you guys expecting in performance that re-signing Jones takes us from winning "8" things to having to resign ourselves to a threepeat? Hell even given a decline how the hell does a 4 year contract damage the chiefs to the point even after the 3 guaranteed years are over, they still can't run the Superbowl?
I would point to the Von Miller contract as a cautionary tale. I think everyone wants Jones here, but just not at all costs.
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Old 03-08-2024, 02:02 PM   #244
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I would point to the Von Miller contract as a cautionary tale. I think everyone wants Jones here, but just not at all costs.
It's only a cautionary tale because he got hurt at his age.
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I would point to the Von Miller contract as a cautionary tale. I think everyone wants Jones here, but just not at all costs.
There's a injury risk to every contract. I don't know how people are ok taking that injury risk at 28 million but 30 is just way too much.

And Chris Jones is 29. Von Miller was 33 when he signed that contract. Two totally different scenarios. Not to even mention Von was a year removed from missing an entire season with an injury and had multiple other major injuries in his career including an ACL tear. The situations are not comparable at all.
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Old 03-08-2024, 02:13 PM   #246
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Same shit, another day...keep hearing the same things over and over again with no results.

I hope it gets done, just preparing myself for the other outcome.
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There's a injury risk to every contract. I don't know how people are ok taking that injury risk at 28 million but 30 is just way too much.

And Chris Jones is 29. Von Miller was 33 when he signed that contract. Two totally different scenarios. Not to even mention Von was a year removed from missing an entire season with an injury and had multiple other major injuries in his career including an ACL tear. The situations are not comparable at all.
Not arguing the difference between $28 and $30 million at all. Just pointing out that Miller was dominant even after missing an entire season. He got hurt and now they are cutting other players because they are stuck with his salary as his performance dropped off significantly. DTs tend to drop off some around the 30 year old mark. Not implying that this will be the case with Jones, it’s something to consider. While not an exact apples to apples comparison the concept of the cap space and dead money remains there.
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There's a injury risk to every contract. I don't know how people are ok taking that injury risk at 28 million but 30 is just way too much.

And Chris Jones is 29. Von Miller was 33 when he signed that contract. Two totally different scenarios. Not to even mention Von was a year removed from missing an entire season with an injury and had multiple other major injuries in his career including an ACL tear. The situations are not comparable at all.
The longer you’re in the league the more likely you are to get hurt unfortunately. Mitch Schwartz was an iron man for health until he wasn’t. Joe Thuney was until he wasn’t this year (did he tear his pec?), Fisher for injured at 30 and it ended his career, Kelce started having injury concerns last year and they legit thought his knee injury was season ending at first, Tamba Hali started having bad injury problems at 33.

It’s a real concern paying these guys insane money once they enter their 30’s, especially if you already have a highly paid QB on the cap.
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why are people getting upset that we haven’t signed Jones yet, just after winning the SB a few weeks ago? put the pitchforks down.
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why are people getting upset that we haven’t signed Jones yet, just after winning the SB a few weeks ago? put the pitchforks down.
It's almost like we've seen this movie before.
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How much of a decline are you guys expecting in performance that re-signing Jones takes us from winning "8" things to having to resign ourselves to a threepeat? Hell even given a decline how the hell does a 4 year contract damage the chiefs to the point even after the 3 guaranteed years are over, they still can't run the Superbowl?
If we can resign Jones and Kelce plays another few years I’d say we win probably 4 more in next 10 years. If Jones is gone that number probably drops to 2. Mahomes can make receivers look good. He turned Rashee Rice into Jerry Rice.
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why are people getting upset that we haven’t signed Jones yet, just after winning the SB a few weeks ago? put the pitchforks down.
I don't know how many are upset per se, I think we all just see the reality that if he gets to FA, he's probably going to get an offer that the Chiefs won't match.

For the record, I'm totally ok with that...I'd love to have CJ back but I also trust Veach and co. 100% to have a plan and make it work.
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**** this waiting shit! Vorch buddy ya got one day to sign him or else I’m writing a complaint letter to the Clarks about you!!!!
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I don't know how many are upset per se, I think we all just see the reality that if he gets to FA, he's probably going to get an offer that the Chiefs won't match.

For the record, I'm totally ok with that...I'd love to have CJ back but I also trust Veach and co. 100% to have a plan and make it work.
i’m sure a good GM like veach has a backup plan. tyreek left and we did just fine. if jones leaves i will be greatly disappointed, but i’m not throwing in the towel with 15 and Reid still on the team.
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There's a injury risk to every contract. I don't know how people are ok taking that injury risk at 28 million but 30 is just way too much.

And Chris Jones is 29. Von Miller was 33 when he signed that contract. Two totally different scenarios. Not to even mention Von was a year removed from missing an entire season with an injury and had multiple other major injuries in his career including an ACL tear. The situations are not comparable at all.
Because a line has to be drawn somewhere.

But ultimately the issue is that the only way we can really get this WRONG is if Jones gets paid and gets hurt or stops playing hard. And with Jones we've seen him stop playing hard for pretty prolonged periods of time. He's not above taking plays off.

That's a risk you have to consider.

Because ultimately not spending it on Jones doesn't mean it won't get spent. That cap space will get used on players and probably pretty damn good ones. If it's spent on a single guy, your risk of rolling snakeyes is a little higher.

And you can't just keep hitting 'bid' in these scenarios. If your puke point is $29 million, you can't just go "eh, another million won't hurt..." Set your number and stand by it. And if the deal doesn't get done, you have to move along.

That's where this frustration is coming from. The public statements for about 18 months have been along the lines of "we'll get this done..." and yet here we are. Still. With this not having gotten done.
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