Let's Talk About Baltimore (AFC Championship)

[SHOWTIME]

Headed back to the AFC Championship Game!!!! Discuss.

[OneWinningDrive]

Originally Posted by Raiderhater

That’s great and all but, WTF does it have to do with the Chiefs? Baltimore has faced KC four times already in the Mahomes era and are only 1-3 against them. What the Ravens used to do to a completely different franchise is irrelevant.

Sure, it’s just an anecdote about how the Ravens under Harbaugh were able to pierce the veil of the last dynasty like no other team in the AFC was able to. But you’re right that the Mahomes/Lamar head to heads are more relevant. Although the relevancy of a game from 5 years ago is itself dubious. The Ravens run a completely different offense and defense than then.

[mr. tegu]

The Chiefs will commit to stopping the run and Lamar won’t be able to pass well enough to win. All the rest is just noise.

Ravens fans, who apparently understand nothing, think because the Bills ran for a lot of yards that the Ravens will as well. The Chiefs let the Bills run to not give up big plays and it worked to perfection. The Chiefs will let Lamar pass, he’ll get yards but also a few turnovers, and the Chiefs will win.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Disagree all over the place here to the point that I’m not even sure why I’m answering, but why not.

Coaching is a tie? Harbaugh is a hall of famer and Sirianni was almost fired this year. Macdonald has a head coaching job whenever he wants it, and Monken is coming off of back-to-back championships at Georgia as the OC.

Secondary is a tie? The Ravens have one of the lowest passing YPAs in decades this year.

Hurts and Lamar are the same? I mean this is just offensive at this point. One is the 2x MVP (as many as Mahomes in fewer seasons) and the other has had one good season.

The Eagles got a bunch of hype in the media, but they weren’t a historic team by DVOA. They came out of a weak NFC and then regressed badly this year. The Ravens are far better.

The Eagles roster last year was better than the Ravens one this year imo and their record was virtually the same. In the regular season Jalen had 35 td's combined, 3700 passing and 700 rushing. This year Lamar had 31 total td's combined, 3600 passing and 800 rushing. So one could argue JALEN WAS ACTUALLY BETTER!!.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Johnny8

If we lost that game I could say it was because we spotted you 7 points on the first play. But guess what, he did fumble, and you lost. Mahomes is amazing, best QB statistically in the game not only right now but [one of the best] all time.

With that said, Ravens win 34-20.

We may win, we may lose, but I seriously doubt Baltimore scores 34 points.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

There’s a very colorable argument that this is the best team Mahomes has ever faced. And it’s on the road in the AFC title game. But hey, if it makes you feel better to act like that’s “not even close” to the biggest obstacle he has had short of an actual Super Bowl, then knock yourself out; I’m sure Patrick Mahomes himself isn’t big timing the Ravens.

Dude, the Chiefs were down 24-0 against the Texans in the playoffs in the first qtr, Mahomes and the Chiefs scored 28 points in one quarter, and won 51-31.

Down against the Titans

Down in the fourth qtr in the SB against SF.

Chiefs play BETTER uphill.

Mahomes is shattering records to the point it's surreal. Almost other worldly.

Guess ya'll have to find out like everbody else, just like we did.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

The Chiefs will commit to stopping the run and Lamar won’t be able to pass well enough to win. All the rest is just noise.

Ravens fans, who apparently understand nothing, think because the Bills ran for a lot of yards that the Ravens will as well. The Chiefs let the Bills run to not give up big plays and it worked to perfection. The Chiefs will let Lamar pass, he’ll get yards but also a few turnovers, and the Chiefs will win.

And what's funny is the Ravens run defense thus far has been terrible and so has their defense on 3rd down but folks don't wanna talk about it.

[Whogotitbetter]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Lol the fact that you tried to compare Hurts to Allen and our DL to the texans tells me all I need to know about your football knowledge. Please stop it

Hurts is more like allen then lamar, whats similar about them, they run and are black? hurts is a physical runner like allen, lamar is a shifty runner. And No I didn't compare, I simply said the texans are a more discipline d-line, did you see allen running from the chiefs d-line? the texans also had the #1 run defense.

[RollChiefsRoll]

Originally Posted by Johnny8

Wait, why watch clips? They're both young black QBs they're the same!

Lazy ass, stupid retort. Do better.

[PurpleOrange]

I see many remarks about the Chiefs and Spags past success against Lamar and limiting what he was able to do. That's all well and good but almost all of those players are now gone. Outside of Andrews and Ricard, Lamar is working with an entirely new set of backs and a new OC with a completely new offensive scheme. Kansas City may slow him down, but this isn't the Ravens offense of past years.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Sure, it’s just an anecdote about how the Ravens under Harbaugh were able to pierce the veil of the last dynasty like no other team in the AFC was able to. But you’re right that the Mahomes/Lamar head to heads are more relevant. Although the relevancy of a game from 5 years ago is itself dubious. The Ravens run a completely different offense and defense than then.

Nothing dubious about it all if you are bringing up past performances against a different franchise - it is totally with merit in that limited and irrelevant discussion that you brought to the table.

[OneWinningDrive]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

The Eagles roster last year was better than the Ravens one this year imo and their record was virtually the same. In the regular season Jalen had 35 td's combined, 3700 passing and 700 rushing. This year Lamar had 31 total td's combined, 3600 passing and 800 rushing. So one could argue JALEN WAS ACTUALLY BETTER!!.

The Eagles played a soft schedule last year and started off undefeated, so they seemed like a dominant team. Whereas the Ravens dropped a rainy game to the Colts early and lost to their rivals in the Steelers and so didn’t have the same hype. But that’s all that is: hype.

But a more objective metric like DVOA scores the Ravens as one of the best teams of all time and doesn’t rate the Eagles in that conversation. The Ravens played a tough schedule and dominated their opponents. That’s a better way to gauge how good a roster is than back-of-the-napkin roster “analysis.”

Look no further than the discrepancy between the Eagles offseason and their actual performance this year. People were tugging Howie Roseman off for spamming every UGA player in the draft. How did that turn out for them?

[Rausch]

Usual script: keep the game close and let Mahomes win it at the end.

If the 4th quarter becomes a shoot out or duel the Chiefs win by 10...

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by PurpleOrange

I see many remarks about the Chiefs and Spags past success against Lamar and limiting what he was able to do. That's all well and good but almost all of those players are now gone. Outside of Andrews and Ricard, Lamar is working with an entirely new set of backs and a new OC with a completely new offensive scheme. Kansas City may slow him down, but this isn't the Ravens offense of past years.

That's all well and good, but lets not pretend Spags is flying blind here.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter

Hurts is more like allen then lamar, whats similar about them, they run and are black? hurts is a physical runner like allen, lamar is a shifty runner. And No I didn't compare, I simply said the texans are a more discipline d-line, did you see allen running from the chiefs d-line? the texans also had the #1 run defense.

I just posted the stats. Hurts numbers last year and Lamar's this year are virtually the same. With Jalen having more TD's. Lamar is a different runner yess but both haven't put up elite passing numbers which is the point. Allen is an elite passer and a dangerous runner so one could argue that KC had a great preparation for what they'll face Sunday. Stafford and Watson tore up that Ravens defense so we'll see how Pat does.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

The Eagles played a soft schedule last year and started off undefeated, so they seemed like a dominant team. Whereas the Ravens dropped a rainy game to the Colts early and lost to their rivals in the Steelers and so didn’t have the same hype. But that’s all that is: hype.

But a more objective metric like DVOA scores the Ravens as one of the best teams of all time and doesn’t rate the Eagles in that conversation. The Ravens played a tough schedule and dominated their opponents. That’s a better way to gauge how good a roster is than back-of-the-napkin roster “analysis.”

Look no further than the discrepancy between the Eagles offseason and their actual performance this year. People were tugging Howie Roseman off for spamming every UGA player in the draft. How did that turn out for them?

List the QBs the Ravens faced this year.