****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****

[Sofa King]

They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

If it were me (and of course it's not, I freely admit I am not qualified) I would be in 12 personnel as my base, better for Pacheco, and my WR rotation is Rice, Toney, and Watson. MVS and Moore only see snaps to give a guy a breather. Ritchie in on 3rd downs maybe.

If they leave their big personnel in to cover the two TE's, Kelce and Gray will eat. if they go nickel, Pacheco will eat.

Use play-action to get the easy reads. Quit out-smarting yourself.

Is Hardman supposed to be healthy anytime soon? If so I'd like to see them put him in the MVS role. He's faster anyway.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

IF my understanding is correct, that Andy calls the plays and Nagy the personnel, then I'm putting a big chunk of the dysfunction at Nagy's feet.

I'm not usually a 'FIRE THE COACH!' guy, I'm really not.

But the complete regression of the offense with mostly the same guys in what should be a much more comfortable second season in the offense is just unacceptable.

What's different? The OC and the WR coach.

For the most part, Mahomes has time, so other than the penalties on the OT's, I'm not seeing protection as the problem. (The penalties ARE a problem of course, but I'm setting that aside for the moment.)

You're spot on. Nagy is a clown and Embree is in over I is head. The lack of discipline really shows on the offense and all the WR's regressed.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

If it were me (and of course it's not, I freely admit I am not qualified) I would be in 12 personnel as my base, better for Pacheco, and my WR rotation is Rice, Toney, and Watson. MVS and Moore only see snaps to give a guy a breather. Ritchie in on 3rd downs maybe.

If they leave their big personnel in to cover the two TE's, Kelce and Gray will eat. if they go nickel, Pacheco will eat.

Use play-action to get the easy reads. Quit out-smarting yourself.

You have common sense and can see an obvious issue. You're quallified to ask why.

[O.city]

We keep getting clips of guys running open but sure, it's on this or that.

There's an easy answer here, maybe eventually we can get to it.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

IF my understanding is correct, that Andy calls the plays and Nagy the personnel, then I'm putting a big chunk of the dysfunction at Nagy's feet.

I'm not usually a 'FIRE THE COACH!' guy, I'm really not.

But the complete regression of the offense with mostly the same guys in what should be a much more comfortable second season in the offense is just unacceptable.

What's different? The OC and the WR coach.

For the most part, Mahomes has time, so other than the penalties on the OT's, I'm not seeing protection as the problem. (The penalties ARE a problem of course, but I'm setting that aside for the moment.)

Our personnel has been really strange this year. I mean, look at this. What are we doing here?

Here's what things look like for the top four players on each team so far this season https://t.co/I7S86CT9Kh pic.twitter.com/aF6r1BZlQs

— Sam Hoppen (@SamHoppen) December 5, 2023

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

We keep getting clips of guys running open but sure, it's on this or that.

There's an easy answer here, maybe eventually we can get to it.

It's always the OC's fault. EB 2 years ago, Nagy now. This team is 10-2 at worst if the WR's just catch the ****ing ball.

It's obviously a talent issue. Love Veach but he and Andy messed this up

[O.city]

It's why "spread it around" is ****ing dumb bullshit.

Get 2/3 good weapons and force feed them the ball.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

It's always the OC's fault. EB 2 years ago, Nagy now. This team is 10-2 at worst if the WR's just catch the ****ing ball.

It's obviously a talent issue. Love Veach but he and Andy messed this up

Or you know, the QB not leaving a pocket and reading it out and hitting the dude with 10 yards of open grass around him in the endzone.

[O.city]

Yes, the drops are terrible. ****ing awful.

But the MVS drop doesn't happen or matter if we don't have an interception in the endzone, or a fumble in the redzone.

The last drive PI doesn't happen or matter if we don't throw an interception on the previous drive.

[wachashi]

I've heard this coaching staff (Nagy and Reid both) talk about how they don't want a traditional "number one receiver" because they believe it makes us harder to defend.

I think an argument can be made that they've taken that philosophy too far. Target your best players, and sprinkle in some creativity with shots to lesser players to keep the defense honest. Not the other way around.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Best22

Looks like Pacheco was open on the wheel route

Think Mahomes locked onto Kelce. That type of stuff hurts the offense

Mahomes deserves some of the criticism for not seeing these open players like he has in the past. He's doubting himself. Doubting his receivers. He's got to get past that. This is the hand you are dealt this year. Adapt to this situation.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

Duh yourself. Sloppy mistakes get you beat. Even an average team can well disciplined despite being talent deficient. Look at the Steelers. They're a lot more disciplined than we are but they don't have the talent.

When we have the likes of Skyy and MVS wearing our colors, neither do we.

Again "fixable" is accurate, but that doesn't mean that the "fix" isn't "get better players in the offseason". Right now Skyy and MVS are liabilities to/for PMII and TK, and they need to fix that.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Or you know, the QB not leaving a pocket and reading it out and hitting the dude with 10 yards of open grass around him in the endzone.

Yup. He's missed a lot of opportunities. I posted the Rice Miss even though it was a penalty.

The toss play to Clyde was Mahomes fault too. That's a walk in TD if he just tosses it correctly. Nbd bc we scored but just shows Patrick isn't doing some of the simple things either.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by wachashi

I've heard this coaching staff (Nagy and Reid both) talk about how they don't want a traditional "number one receiver" because they believe it makes us harder to defend.

I think an argument can be made that they've taken that philosophy too far. Target your best players, and sprinkle in some creativity with shots to lesser players to keep the defense honest. Not the other way around.

Thats like saying no babe yours is perfect the tight ones hurt. We all know the truth. Andy went after TO multiple times per reports in Philly and we know they called on AJ Brown.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Yup. He's missed a lot of opportunities. I posted the Rice Miss even though it was a penalty.

The toss play to Clyde was Mahomes fault too. That's a walk in TD if he just tosses it correctly. Nbd bc we scored but just shows Patrick isn't doing some of the simple things either.

99.999999% of the members here think Mahomes is not just the best QB we have ever had but the best of all time in the NFL. He's still a human being that makes mistakes.

He has proven his ability to adapt on the field many times. He has to adapt to the mentality that he has to make that throw and yes, they may drop it or screw up the route. This is our 2023-24 WR group. You are the best ever, Deal with it Patrick and being home that dynasty.