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Old 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM  
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They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.
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Old 12-05-2023, 01:20 PM   #8986
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Sorry, but it's unfortunately almost a certainty that it's going to be Nagy. The only question is how many seasons will we lament being wasted in the future once he's fired.
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Old 12-05-2023, 01:22 PM   #8987
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Probably should try and replicate some of that with guys like Pacheco, Hardman, and Toney with the ball in their hands in space. Nah, let's just funnel ALL of that work to Rice and throw MVS and Moore out there to take all the snaps.
Hardman is on IR, they are giving Pacheco way more of the work and Toney is made of glass.

I like that they are increasing Rice's reps but want them to get him the ball downfield more.

Zach Ertz would help the offense IMO. I hope we get him
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Yes. I have a hard time believing the 2018 and 19 versions of Mahomes really knew the WR routes and adjustments like he does now. He just let the ball fly, and while I understand he had Tyreek Hill and a prime version of Travis Kelce, and defenses didn't expect the offense, he made throws he doesn't even attempt to now and hadn't had time to build the chemistry he has with Kelce now or Tyreek then.



I'll never be an EB fan, but I think they miss his attitude, not necessarily the X's and O's part. This team has no one now who gets in your face on offense when players keep making these mistakes. I think they've got nothing but players coaches on offense full of Andy Reid lacky's. If Reid wasn't the HC, the coaching staff would be facing an enormous amount of heat on the offensive side.



I hate this offense so bad. When Andy retires, I hope his offense goes with it. I'd love an offense from the Shanahan coaching tree.



Yep, and it's a ****ing failure. Veach shoulda paid Hill, signed or traded for an actual #1 WR, and/or should have taken advantage of the best WR drafts in recent memory. Instead, he bargain basement shopped and the offense blows. This team didn't get to 5 AFC championship games, 3 SBs with 2 victories because of the defense. They are trying that now....and it's failing.
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Yes. I have a hard time believing the 2018 and 19 versions of Mahomes really knew the WR routes and adjustments like he does now. He just let the ball fly, and while I understand he had Tyreek Hill and a prime version of Travis Kelce, and defenses didn't expect the offense, he made throws he doesn't even attempt to now and hadn't had time to build the chemistry he has with Kelce now or Tyreek then.



I'll never be an EB fan, but I think they miss his attitude, not necessarily the X's and O's part. This team has no one now who gets in your face on offense when players keep making these mistakes. I think they've got nothing but players coaches on offense full of Andy Reid lacky's. If Reid wasn't the HC, the coaching staff would be facing an enormous amount of heat on the offensive side.



I hate this offense so bad. When Andy retires, I hope his offense goes with it. I'd love an offense from the Shanahan coaching tree.



Yep, and it's a ****ing failure. Veach shoulda paid Hill, signed or traded for an actual #1 WR, and/or should have taken advantage of the best WR drafts in recent memory. Instead, he bargain basement shopped and the offense blows. This team didn't get to 5 AFC championship games, 3 SBs with 2 victories because of the defense. They are trying that now....and it's failing.
A little premature...
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Hardman is on IR, they are giving Pacheco way more of the work and Toney is made of glass.

I like that they are increasing Rice's reps but want them to get him the ball downfield more.

Zach Ertz would help the offense IMO. I hope we get him
Why not just do the things you'd do with Ertz but with Gray? He's shown he's a reliable TE2. Just bump up his snaps and lower Moore's? Run 2 TE sets as your primary sets.
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Yes. I have a hard time believing the 2018 and 19 versions of Mahomes really knew the WR routes and adjustments like he does now. He just let the ball fly, and while I understand he had Tyreek Hill and a prime version of Travis Kelce, and defenses didn't expect the offense, he made throws he doesn't even attempt to now and hadn't had time to build the chemistry he has with Kelce now or Tyreek then.



I'll never be an EB fan, but I think they miss his attitude, not necessarily the X's and O's part. This team has no one now who gets in your face on offense when players keep making these mistakes. I think they've got nothing but players coaches on offense full of Andy Reid lacky's. If Reid wasn't the HC, the coaching staff would be facing an enormous amount of heat on the offensive side.



I hate this offense so bad. When Andy retires, I hope his offense goes with it. I'd love an offense from the Shanahan coaching tree.



Yep, and it's a ****ing failure. Veach shoulda paid Hill, signed or traded for an actual #1 WR, and/or should have taken advantage of the best WR drafts in recent memory. Instead, he bargain basement shopped and the offense blows. This team didn't get to 5 AFC championship games, 3 SBs with 2 victories because of the defense. They are trying that now....and it's failing.
****ing yikes.
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Old 12-05-2023, 01:28 PM   #8992
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Mahomes QB Rating when targeting:

Rice - 123.8
Kelce - 112.1
Gray - 109.3
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Toney - 79.7
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It’s ridiculous that Gray doesn’t get more snaps and targets.
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Sorry, but it's unfortunately almost a certainty that it's going to be Nagy. The only question is how many seasons will we lament being wasted in the future once he's fired.
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Yes. I have a hard time believing the 2018 and 19 versions of Mahomes really knew the WR routes and adjustments like he does now. He just let the ball fly, and while I understand he had Tyreek Hill and a prime version of Travis Kelce, and defenses didn't expect the offense, he made throws he doesn't even attempt to now and hadn't had time to build the chemistry he has with Kelce now or Tyreek then.



I'll never be an EB fan, but I think they miss his attitude, not necessarily the X's and O's part. This team has no one now who gets in your face on offense when players keep making these mistakes. I think they've got nothing but players coaches on offense full of Andy Reid lacky's. If Reid wasn't the HC, the coaching staff would be facing an enormous amount of heat on the offensive side.



I hate this offense so bad. When Andy retires, I hope his offense goes with it. I'd love an offense from the Shanahan coaching tree.



Yep, and it's a ****ing failure. Veach shoulda paid Hill, signed or traded for an actual #1 WR, and/or should have taken advantage of the best WR drafts in recent memory. Instead, he bargain basement shopped and the offense blows. This team didn't get to 5 AFC championship games, 3 SBs with 2 victories because of the defense. They are trying that now....and it's failing.
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I still don't get the massive love for EB and complete and utter contempt for Nagy. It makes zero sense.

The offense struggled massively under Andy and EB in 2021. The offense looked as bad for 2 months as this years offense and they ended that season competely falling apart on offense in the 2nd half of the AFCCG. Everyone thought the offense had massive problems after that. Then they traded Tyreek.

Anybody here guess the difference between the 2021 struggling offense and the 2022 top 5 offense without Tyreek?

Nagy.

Nobody wants to talk about that huh? Just the counterpoint that Nagy is apparently the reason the offense sucks now despite Andy Reid and Brett Veach being fine with Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney leading this WR corps
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I still don't get the massive love for EB and complete and utter contempt for Nagy. It makes zero sense.

The offense struggled massively under Andy and EB in 2021. The offense looked as bad for 2 months as this years offense and they ended that season competely falling apart on offense in the 2nd half of the AFCCG. Everyone thought the offense had massive problems after that. Then they traded Tyreek.

Anybody here guess the difference between the 2021 struggling offense and the 2022 top 5 offense without Tyreek?

Nagy.

Nobody wants to talk about that huh? Just the counterpoint that Nagy is apparently the reason the offense sucks now despite Andy Reid and Brett Veach being fine with Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney leading this WR corps
Wut?
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Matt Nagy was in Chicago in 2021. He came back and the offense immediately stabilized and got massively better even without Tyreek.
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I still don't get the massive love for EB and complete and utter contempt for Nagy. It makes zero sense.

The offense struggled massively under Andy and EB in 2021. The offense looked as bad for 2 months as this years offense and they ended that season competely falling apart on offense in the 2nd half of the AFCCG. Everyone thought the offense had massive problems after that. Then they traded Tyreek.

Anybody here guess the difference between the 2021 struggling offense and the 2022 top 5 offense without Tyreek?

Nagy.

Nobody wants to talk about that huh? Just the counterpoint that Nagy is apparently the reason the offense sucks now despite Andy Reid and Brett Veach being fine with Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney leading this WR corps


Because both EB and Nagy got to run offenses on their own without Reid and one guy is clearly better.
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