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Old 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM  
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They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.
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Old 12-04-2023, 05:53 PM   #8836
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He traded a HoF wide receiver, won a Super Bowl and fielded the best offense in football, then replaced a broke-dick with a 2nd round WR who's pacing to be better than said broke-dick.

You have an odd way of framing this discussion. The difference between what Veach did and the Ravens did is literally OBJ and some change. The Ravens drafted Flowers a hair before we drafted Rice. Then they signed a guy coming off major surgery and a year away from football who's been...okay.

We decided to open an opportunity for a former 1st rounder who demonstrated the ability to be among the more dynamic playmakers in the league. We missed - shit happens.

This gaping chasm in approach you're seeing here simply doesn't exist.


He didn't win a SB by trading Tyreek. He traded Tyreek and did give us barely enough to have a chance last year when he signed JuJu and even MVS.

If you want to give Veach credit his defensive picks helped win that SB.

You are the one changing the subject and jumping all over the place.

Framing indeed.

My point was he traded away offensive talent in Hill, let JuJu walk and this year replaced poorly while Baltimore was adding offensive talent this offseason.
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Does anyone know when Justyn Ross will be off the commissioners exempt list?
That ship has sailed for 2023, and quite possibly forever
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Does anyone know when Justyn Ross will be off the commissioners exempt list?
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They 'added' because Devin Duvernay was their leading returning wide receiver. By adding OBJ to their existing group, they brought it on par with what we THOUGHT we had. Again, MVS averaged about 600 yards/season over the previous 5 seasons and that's about what the Ravens are going to get from OBJ. MVS has a half-decade track record prior to this season of putting up about 40 YPG - this year he's at 22. There was no reasonable expectation of that happening.

And Duvernay/Toney are very similar in terms of talent/projectability.

This is just a classic "Grass is greener" scenario. The Ravens haven't done appreciably more than we have with the position. What they got is about what they expected out of OBJ and Duvernay where we HAVEN'T gotten that out of MVS/Toney.

Their guys have performed at the level expected of them. Ours haven't. We thought we had a 6-700 yard veteran receiver in MVS; they knew they didn't so they signed OBJ.

This idea that they've aggressively layered talent is just nutty.
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They 'added' because Devin Duvernay was their leading returning wide receiver. By adding OBJ to their existing group, they brought it on par with what we THOUGHT we had. Again, MVS averaged about 600 yards/season over the previous 5 seasons and that's about what the Ravens are going to get from OBJ. MVS has a half-decade track record prior to this season of putting up about 40 YPG - this year he's at 22. There was no reasonable expectation of that happening.

And Duvernay/Toney are very similar in terms of talent/projectability.

This is just a classic "Grass is greener" scenario. The Ravens haven't done appreciably more than we have with the position. What they got is about what they expected out of OBJ and Duvernay where we HAVEN'T gotten that out of MVS/Toney.

Their guys have performed at the level expected of them. Ours haven't. We thought we had a 6-700 yard veteran receiver in MVS; they knew they didn't so they signed OBJ.

This idea that they've aggressively layered talent is just nutty.


MVS and OBJ are the same dude?

Yikes.

You are lost.

You need to stop just throwing numbers out without context.

Baltimore spreads the ball around more. I like Rice but just watching Zay Flowers play I realize I was wrong. I liked him coming out but he is WAY better than I thought. Nothing to do with numbers. He's special.
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MVS and OBJ are the same dude?

Yikes.

You are lost.
MVS has average 40 yards/gm over the last 5 years.

OBJ will average roughly 40 yards/gm this season. And didn't play last season. And has averaged roughly 40 yards/gm this decade.

Who they've been and who they could've reasonably be expected to be this season are two different questions.

If anyone came into this season expecting 900+ yards (i.e. about 50 yards/gm from OBJ) they did so based on faith and nothing more.
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MVS has average 40 yards/gm over the last 5 years.

OBJ will average roughly 40 yards/gm this season. And didn't play last season. And has averaged roughly 40 yards/gm this decade.

Who they've been and who they could've reasonably be expected to be this season are two different questions.

If anyone came into this season expecting 900+ yards (i.e. about 50 yards/gm from OBJ) they did so based on faith and nothing more.
Again, not the same player. OBJ is an actual NFL WR and MVS is an overpaid deep threat that can't track footballs.

OBJ is the 3rd target in Baltimore. He isn't there to pad stats but to help them win a SB.

OBJ would be the #1 WR here.
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OBJ hasn't been a WR1 since 2019. Dude has had 2 ACL tears and is old.

If he was WR1 here it wouldn't be much different at all. He's name value from 5 years ago..
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OBJ hasn't been a WR1 since 2019. Dude has had 2 ACL tears and is old.

If he was WR1 here it wouldn't be much different at all. He's name value from 5 years ago..


You must have missed the Rams SB run 2 years ago.




They don't win that without OBJ.
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They don't win that without OBJ.
Cooper Kupp was the WR1 on that team not OBJ
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Huh? 27 receptions for 305 yards and 5 TDs for the half season he was there. Injured in the second quarter of the Super Bowl. He was pretty damn good in the NFC Championship and that's about it.
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OBJ hasn't been a WR1 since 2019. Dude has had 2 ACL tears and is old.

If he was WR1 here it wouldn't be much different at all. He's name value from 5 years ago..


BAL is bringing him along just as McVay did in LAR. Right now, odell is playing WR3, seeing maybe 4-5 targets a game. Come the playoffs, he'll almost certainly leapfrog over Bateman and assume a much greater role, just as McVay tried to use him. And he still is talented/intelligent enough to raise his level of play to meet that goal.

If he were a Chief, he'd probably be the WR1 just on ability alone, if not for Andy's need to have players go through "the process." With that in mind, yeah, OBJ would probably be the WR3, and see 4-5 targets/game, until the playoffs.


But he'd actually run the right routes, make the right adjustments, and actually catch the ball, so yeah, he'd be a big improvement.
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You must have missed the Rams SB run 2 years ago.




They don't win that without OBJ.
And we don't even PLAY in the Super Bowl without MVS last season.

What's your point?
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Evans is one of the most hilariously and freakishly consistent guys the league's ever seen. And he's done it weirdly under the radar.

I've admitted in the past that I simply hate his style of play. I can't stand the big jump ball guys - they just seem like gimmicks. But man, when you do it as well as he has for as long as he has...well, I lose that argument pretty soundly.

Guy pretty much has to be a 1st ballot HoFer, doesn't he?
I hate his style of play too. I don't watch much college football but I do know I want nothing to do with that Rome dude out of Washington.
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