2024 Draft - trade multiple picks to Cardinals to get Marvin Harrison Jr.

[scho63]

All I hear and see makes Marvin Harrison Jr a no-miss draft pick.

Like all picks, there are no guarantees.

If you're Veach, do you trade multiple picks, maybe 3 high rounders to the Cards for the #2 pick in the draft. They need MANY players to rebuild, not one superstar.

Good idea, bad idea or interesting idea?

[Woogieman]

Hopefully they identify an under-the-radar TE as well. When a player mentions retirement, it's usuallly over, and since TK has won the social and financial lotteries this year, I don't know if that fire will be burning this off season...hell, it may not be now judging by the output.

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

Hopefully they learn from their mistakes...the DNA is there to make wise choices, perhaps you hire a consultant, shake things up. This is a deep draft at WR, so the odds of landing a #1 at 28-38 are fairly strong.

Of the Top 5 receivers in 2023:

AJ Brown went #51
Reek - #165
Keenan Allen - #76
Amon St. Brown Ra - #112

They are out there, BV just needs to not outthink it this year.

Cool. Now do all the other wr's from the lower rounds.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

Hopefully they identify an under-the-radar TE as well. When a player mentions retirement, it's usuallly over, and since TK has won the social and financial lotteries this year, I don't know if that fire will be burning this off season...hell, it may not be now judging by the output.

Looks like there's a few of those in this draft, too.

People need to understand, though-you're not going to replace Travis Kelce on a one-for-one basis.

there's nothing wrong with Noah Gray other than he's not Travis Kelce and he plays on a team with him.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

Cool. Now do all the other wr's from the lower rounds.

Not sure where you're trying to go with that, but it's a fact that top WR's come from all over the draft, and the first rounders bust at a high rate.

I researched this last off-season, and the sweet spot seems to be rounds 2-4. I'm not going to get back into the specifics again as my curiosity was satisfied and I don't remember the details.

I'm just saying that the madness leading up to the draft and moving up for a WR into the high first, giving up multiple picks is a HUGE risk, and not one that tends to pay off in winning Super Bowls.

I'd definitely be looking at WR in rounds one and/or two this year, though.

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

Hopefully they learn from their mistakes...the DNA is there to make wise choices, perhaps you hire a consultant, shake things up. This is a deep draft at WR, so the odds of landing a #1 at 28-38 are fairly strong.

Of the Top 5 receivers in 2023:

AJ Brown went #51
Reek - #165
Keenan Allen - #76
Amon St. Brown Ra - #112

They are out there, BV just needs to not outthink it this year.

Just that easy huh? 4 picks out of 260, 5-10 of those you own in that 260. Brett Veach has shown you he doesn't take good WR's, this organization has shown you they don't take good WR's, until it happens you can shit in one hand and hope in the other and see which fills up faster.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Looks like there's a few of those in this draft, too.

People need to understand, though-you're not going to replace Travis Kelce on a one-for-one basis.

there's nothing wrong with Noah Gray other than he's not Travis Kelce and he plays on a team with him.

agree...you do have to find a Bell replacement though. Someone that is either a very good blocker, or that has high football IQ that isn't afraid to make a few tough catches each game until they have the luxury of targeting a guy in the 1st rnd within a few yrs. I like Gray, but without a true #1 WR, they will struggle a bit on 3rd and in the Red Zone.

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

...and if Harrison tears an achilles, you have blown an entire draft- no Bolton, Humphrey, Gray, Karlaftis, Cook, Watson, Pacheco, Rice. Terrible idea, and who wants multiple picks at the bottom of the board when some rummy franchise will offer them multiple picks in the middle or near the top?

... and if Harrison and Mahomes end up being the next great QB WR duo in NFL history, you have succeeded multiple entire drafts. If you don't think that Noah Gray, Rashee Rice and Isaiah Pacheco are re-creatable then I can't help you. Eventually, just like with Mahomes, you need to take a risk.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Just that easy huh? 4 picks out of 260, 5-10 of those you own in that 260. Brett Veach has shown you he doesn't take good WR's, this organization has shown you they don't take good WR's, until it happens you can shit in one hand and hope in the other and see which fills up faster.

lol...no, it's not easy. Only a handful of orgs do it on a fairly consistent basis, the Chiefs being about as good as any. The point is, it can be done...of course they are the exception, but that's life when you host the AFC Champiosnhip every year. When you draft at the bottom, you can't trade the whole draft for one guy...(A) there are better trade partners than you (B) you only have 5 picks (so far), you're better off trading down a few and acquiring more picks so you can find a Puka Nacua (the current #6).

[Special_K]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Legette is a 5th year senior who did literally nothing his first four years. This gives me great pause.

Mitchell, Franklin I like. Worthy, too. All different physical types, all can fly.

I’m not saying we draft Legette in the first. All I’m saying is any other years he’s first round talent but is likely there for us in the late 1st/2nd if we want him.

I’ve seen mocks where Worthy is taken by us picking 31/32. Any other year he’s gone top 20.

There’s just so many talented receivers in this class with real first round grades on guys that end up being taken in the 2nd. That and there’s a plethora of talented QBs coming out that teams will be spending early round picks on.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

... and if Harrison and Mahomes end up being the next great QB WR duo in NFL history, you have succeeded multiple entire drafts. If you don't think that Noah Gray, Rashee Rice and Isaiah Pacheco are re-creatable then I can't help you. Eventually, just like with Mahomes, you need to take a risk.

That would be a great, hall of fame, record setting combo, no doubt, but how's the rest of the team? Dick Vermeil's defenses? It's hard to find that perfect balance in the cap era, I get it. I just think the biggest flaw is assuming a team drafting at 2 or 3 is going to trade with a team drafting at 28-32, even if its 5 picks...I think they will have a better value offer from one of many franchises that have desperately selected an iffy QB (NE, GB, Carolina, Pitt, Tenn, NYG) but think a WR will solve the prob.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

... and if Harrison and Mahomes end up being the next great QB WR duo in NFL history, you have succeeded multiple entire drafts. If you don't think that Noah Gray, Rashee Rice and Isaiah Pacheco are re-creatable then I can't help you. Eventually, just like with Mahomes, you need to take a risk.

No. You don't go full Ricky Williams, and that's about what it would take. You absolutely don't do that when you have a championship caliber football team at every other position group but half of your defense is up for a new contract and you're low on cap space.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by Special_K

I’m not saying we draft Legette in the first. All I’m saying is any other years he’s first round talent but is likely there for us in the late 1st/2nd if we want him.

I’ve seen mocks where Worthy is taken by us picking 31/32. Any other year he’s gone top 20.

There’s just so many talented receivers in this class with real first round grades on guys that end up being taken in the 2nd. That and there’s a plethora of talented QBs coming out that teams will be spending early round picks on.

Exactly what I'm hoping...some team will be desperate for a QB even at 28-32, that they will trade down a few spots and pick up a 2nd or strong 3rd...Franklin, Polk, Egbuka, Legette, Mitchell/Worthy, and maybe a few emerging names will still be available.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Special_K

I’m not saying we draft Legette in the first. All I’m saying is any other years he’s first round talent but is likely there for us in the late 1st/2nd if we want him.

I’ve seen mocks where Worthy is taken by us picking 31/32. Any other year he’s gone top 20.

There’s just so many talented receivers in this class with real first round grades on guys that end up being taken in the 2nd. That and there’s a plethora of talented QBs coming out that teams will be spending early round picks on.

I like either of the Texas guys. I worry a little about Worthy as an outside receiver in the NFL just because I don't know how he'll do against press-man being smaller. He can fly, though. But I'd rather not HAVE to manufacture clean releases for him.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

So basically neither one will be even on our radar.

Yep. Andy likes his WRs with slimmer hips.

[Chris Meck]

Legette just gives me the heeby-jeebies.

Zero production for four years and then explodes as a 5th year senior? With that size and speed? Something ain't right there. I really don't think I'd spend a premium pick for him.