****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****

[Sofa King]

They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chief Ten Beers

Thats definitely true, but isn't it also starting to feel like Nagy is soft?

Maybe I'm just grasping at straws trying to find a scapegoat, but Nagy is the only major change this offense has made

Juju was swapped for Rice and thats it, its a wash

Maybe, just maybe that edgier dynamic Eric had with Pat and co actually worked better... maybe he kept everyone "on their toes" better, so to speak

I just don't buy it. When you actually dig into our WRs, which ones have actually regressed? Because all of them seem to be what they were. What they've always been. And last year feels more and more like we just hid their flaws really well. This year we've had no choice but to magnify their roles. None of these guys proved they deserve a bigger role than what they did last year.

I'd say by far the biggest change is Kelce is aging and defenses spent an entire off-season prepping, training and stacking personnel to stop our offense specifically. And yeah... Juju as much as we had to say it is a hole we somehow haven't filled yet. We can't hide our WRs this year. To me it's either nagy and embree are duds (which means you have to believe Reid, who is a micromanager, is a dud too) or the WRs just aren't very good. Which is the bigger fluke? Generational HC, QB, TE playing bad this year? Or bad WRs operating in a #1 offense last year? Choice seems obvious.

I'll give nagy and embree time. It feels way more likely that they will thrive with better talent than it is our WRs will thrive with better coaching.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I think Nagy isn’t good and his plays that Andy adds into the weekly gameplans are bad but Rice is not a wash with JuJu yet.

Until he can go out there and move the chains when we need it, no.

Juju made plays in the 2nd half of the SB that Rice isn’t making yet.

Can't buy that when Rice isn't being targeted enough for a fair comparison, and raw stats aside I'm seeing absolutely nothing Juju does better than Rice

Something else is at work here IMO, and its mostly coaching IMO

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I don't think Veach is going to make any receiver the highest paid in their position with where the market is at right now.

Paying to get a top 5-10 caliber WR is about the equivalent of the $20 million/year they are currently paying Taylor to be the second highest paid RT in football.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

And their QB is SIGNIFICANTLY less talented than our QB. Their TE is significantly less talented than our TE.

Nagy just flat out sucks. I know Andy calls plays, but in the game planning sessions, Nagy must be in love with passes to the sideline, within 3 yards of the LOS, because he still doesn't ****ing understand that Alex Smith isn't the QB.

Also, Nagy is a ****ing chuckle bunny. He wants to laugh, joke around, and be everyone's friend.

That isn't necessarily a bad thing, except pairing that with a Head Coach who doesn't fire anyone, it's led to a very undisciplined offense.

This team looks poorly coached because they are being poorly coached.

Ok so what is the alternative? Throw downfield where our WRs keep ****ing up their routes? Inconsistent separation where mahomes sits in the pocket for 10 minutes? When we try to open the offense up our WRs prove time and time again they can't do it? For all this talk about WRs flying open everywhere when they get their opp they flub it and it kills possessions.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Chief Ten Beers

Can't buy that when Rice isn't being targeted enough for a fair comparison, and raw stats aside I'm seeing absolutely nothing Juju does better than Rice

Something else is at work here IMO, and its mostly coaching IMO

This isn't about raw talent.

From that perspective I think Rice will be better than last year's Juju.

The issue is will it happen by the playoffs or will it be next year.

As to what JuJu dd that Rice doesn't, he ran the routes they wanted and got open for first downs when needed. Rice's role right now is not that.

He is being used as a YAC play where they get him the ball and he uses his athleticism to gain chunk yards.

Our offense is missing a chain mover BADLY.

[Pinchshot]

Just like when we lost a SB due to our entire OL, we're having another wasted year of Mahomes due to our entire WR unit.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Ok so what is the alternative? Throw downfield where our WRs keep ****ing up their routes? Inconsistent separation where mahomes sits in the pocket for 10 minutes? When we try to open the offense up our WRs prove time and time again they can't do it? For all this talk about WRs flying open everywhere when they get their opp they flub it and it kills possessions.

How about a SLANT? A drag route? A shallow cross? Where did the jet sweeps with Hardman go? How about the pop passes that DAT and Reek used to abuse people with?

And our screen game is shit. We used to break a couple of 20 yard screens every game.

This offense looks absolutely NOTHING like the offense of the last 5 years.

Watch the All-22 and count how many times a quick slant or crossing route would destroy the defense, but all our receivers are running routes that are at least 12-15 yards deep. It forces Mahomes to hold the ball longer, and wears out the tackles because they are blocking for 3-6 seconds.

Andy Reid is everyone's father figure, and Nagy wants to be everyone's friend. Before, at least EB was in offensive meetings so he could hold people accountable.

[comochiefsfan]

I just can’t believe they didn’t do anything at the deadline to address the position.

If the staff truly believed this group was good enough to get it done as currently constructed then that’s legitimately terrifying.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

This isn't about raw talent.

From that perspective I think Rice will be better than last year's Juju.

The issue is will it happen by the playoffs or will it be next year.

As to what JuJu dd that Rice doesn't, he ran the routes they wanted and got open for first downs when needed. Rice's role right now is not that.

He is being used as a YAC play where they get him the ball and he uses his athleticism to gain chunk yards.

Our offense is missing a chain mover BADLY.

Well then its past time to give Rice those same routes, he can absolutely fill that same role... Andy needs to take the training wheels off Rice and Toney, its become an absolutely stupid hurdle that should be easy to jump

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Guys. Our leading WR was on Tampa Bay's practice squad in January 2022. Our deep threat was Green Bay's WR3 at best. Rice is a rookie and Toney/Hardman have never shown anything more than being a gadget player.

This team doesn't have a WR1 or WR2 and it shows

But Nagy has faith in this group, he said so. Odd...

I wonder if they'll have them watch "how to catch a ball" YouTube videos so they can learn their job?

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by BigRock

He took exactly what the defense gave him on the shot to Watson, which was an easy TD if Watson had the basic awareness not to run a post at a safety playing center field.

Aikman called it out on the broadcast but NFL Live did a breakdown on how WRs should be doing certain things based on the defense and Mahomes is expecting them to do it and they aren't. And the guys they singled out were Watson and MVS, guys who've been doing this for years.

Nagy: He won't make that mistake again...

Watson: Not to worry, I'll make a new mistake...

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

I just can’t believe they didn’t do anything at the deadline to address the position.

If the staff truly believed this group was good enough to get it done as currently constructed then that’s legitimately terrifying.

I didn't like they didn't sign a vet WR in free agency but I gave them a pass to "develop" guys because I assumed Veach would evaluate the year as it went on.

Just before the trade deadline it was absolutely clear they needed to add someone but Reid was quoted as saying they wanted to instead develop Skyy Moore and Rice.

Missing on guys coming out of college is one thing, missing on guys you can see in practice is much worse..it should never happen.

[dirk digler]

Dan O with a good breakdown. Watson and MVS aren't seeing what Pat is seeing. Also related to Hammock's post 7649.

There’s drops yes. There’s penalties yes.

This is the bigger issue for me with the @Chiefs pass game. #nfllive @ArrowheadPride pic.twitter.com/A0pYjjfJmV

— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) November 21, 2023

[FloridaMan88]

How can Watson and MVS still be so out of sync with Mahomes when they have played in this offense with him for like 30 games.

And more importantly how does that improve or change?

[TEX]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

How about a SLANT? A drag route? A shallow cross? Where did the jet sweeps with Hardman go? How about the pop passes that DAT and Reek used to abuse people with?

And our screen game is shit. We used to break a couple of 20 yard screens every game.

This offense looks absolutely NOTHING like the offense of the last 5 years.

Watch the All-22 and count how many times a quick slant or crossing route would destroy the defense, but all our receivers are running routes that are at least 12-15 yards deep. It forces Mahomes to hold the ball longer, and wears out the tackles because they are blocking for 3-6 seconds.

Andy Reid is everyone's father figure, and Nagy wants to be everyone's friend. Before, at least EB was in offensive meetings so he could hold people accountable.

Our offense looks like an Alex Smith offense.