Chiefs ****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread**** - Page 479

Sofa King · 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM

They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.

Sassy Squatch · 11-16-2023, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

How about this: provide some evidence that Chiefs WRs have dropped 24 passes and we can take this argument at face value. Because I don’t think it’s accurate based on the minimal work I did to validate the ‘stats’ you’re putting out there.

Most I've seen have it at 18. And IIRC 8 of those were week 1.

TwistedChief · 11-16-2023, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

"According to Pro Football Reference, Mahomes is posting the highest on-target pass percentage of his career (81.4) paired with the lowest bad throw percentage of his career (11.5). If there was ever a knock on Mahomes, it's his tendency to get overly ambitious in certain spots. Career-best efficiency, combined with the typically impressive surface stats — 2,442 yards, 17 touchdowns, eight interceptions with a 68.6 percent completion rate — highlights just how remarkable Mahomes has been despite a relatively lackluster collection of receivers."

https://fansided.com/posts/patrick-m...-better-chiefs

i know, I know, i'm not giving the right context or something.

Yes, the right context might just be he’s indecisive and only making higher percentage throws.

Do you remember the wheel route he hit Fortson on in the Chargers game last seasons? How often have you seen him make that throw this season?

Chris Meck · 11-16-2023, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Didn’t say catch and run is bad. But we tripled down on it. It was our solution last year. And defenses have adapted. just because a guy can juke guys out of their shorts doesn’t mean he is a route runner let alone a consistent or smart one. Right now we lack the flexibility to adapt out of catch and run and it shows. We need guys who can create before the ball gets into their hands. While I appreciate the optimism you’re asking for consistency out of guys who have an established career of inconsistency.

I’d bet money that Andy and Patrick will figure it out. They figured it out in 2020 also and we can ride that to the finish. But it’s a bandaid until we can start getting more consistent guys out there.

You don't 'adapt out of catch and run'. There's no 'catch and run' to adapt OUT of. It's simply an ability level at a specific football thing.

Andy Reid's offense is and has always been predicated on getting the ball to guys in space and letting them 'catch and run' with it, for YAC (yards after catch). It's just football. Having guys that are good with the ball in their hands is a good thing.

Nobody's arguing that the WR group has been great.

I'm just arguing that it's youth and not lack of talent. They're going to get better as they lean/get comfortable. It's growing pains, not 'these guys suck'.

Sassy Squatch · 11-16-2023, 08:11 PM

Disagree on one guy. Moore. He is ****ing awful and needs relegated to the lowest part of the depth chart.

Chris Meck · 11-16-2023, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Disagree on one guy. Moore. He is ****ing awful and needs relegated to the lowest part of the depth chart.

He doesn't look good.

No argument there.

Sassy Squatch · 11-16-2023, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

He doesn't look good.

No argument there.

I do not understand what Reid is seeing there. He's gone out of his way in recent weeks to pump smoke up his ass in particular, in at least one instance completely unsolicited, and it's making me pretty damn nervous that's he's going to be obstinate about Moore.

Chris Meck · 11-16-2023, 08:17 PM

Megatron-

where is this 24 drops stat from?

I can only find up to date drop stats at 18, tying us with Detroit, ironically. As, you know, like 8 drops were in that game.

But where did you get 24?

TwistedChief · 11-16-2023, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

I do not understand what Reid is seeing there. He's gone out of his way in recent weeks to pump smoke up his ass in particular, in at least one instance completely unsolicited, and it's making me pretty damn nervous that's he's going to be obstinate about Moore.

Which instance was that?

Please don’t say Peter King.

Chris Meck · 11-16-2023, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

I do not understand what Reid is seeing there. He's gone out of his way in recent weeks to pump smoke up his ass in particular, in at least one instance completely unsolicited, and it's making me pretty damn nervous that's he's going to be obstinate about Moore.

He's never going to publicly trash a guy, he's just not.

but Moore has been getting far fewer snaps.

Sassy Squatch · 11-16-2023, 08:18 PM

No. That seemed like more of a blanket statement.

TwistedChief · 11-16-2023, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

No. That seemed like more of a blanket statement.

Moore’s snap count is falling. Rice’s is going up. They get it.

Now we see if they can tweak the offense to make the most of it.

Sassy Squatch · 11-16-2023, 08:23 PM

That's only part of it. They need to get the ball out in space in the hands of Toney and Hardman way more often than we have up to this point. As limited as some aspects of their repertoire is, they're both elite at YAC and that's one aspect we're sorely missing.

TwistedChief · 11-16-2023, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

That's only part of it. They need to get the ball out in space in the hands of Toney and Hardman way more often than we have up to this point. As limited as some aspects of their repertoire is, they're both elite at YAC and that's one aspect we're sorely missing.

That’s what I’m saying. They need to change the structure and schematics of the offense and that’s both personnel and play calling. Reid gets it. Doesn’t mean he’ll succeed but you gotta trust his counterpunch holistically out of the bye after some self-scouting.

Chris Meck · 11-16-2023, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

That’s what I’m saying. They need to change the structure and schematics of the offense and that’s both personnel and play calling. Reid gets it. Doesn’t mean he’ll succeed but you gotta trust his counterpunch holistically out of the bye after some self-scouting.

All I know is-

Toney looks like Toney to me, when they throw him the ball past the line of scrimmage. He's electric. And...they hardly ever do. I don't get it.

MOAR RICE.

LESS MOORE.

Yeah I know, they already are. I just wanted to type LESS MOORE.

Andy and Patrick are going to get this train on the tracks.

Sassy Squatch · 11-16-2023, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

All I know is-

Toney looks like Toney to me, when they throw him the ball past the line of scrimmage. He's electric. And...they hardly ever do. I don't get it.

MOAR RICE.

NO MOORE.

Yeah I know, they already are. I just wanted to type NO MOORE.

Andy and Patrick are going to get this train on the tracks.

FTFY

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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1145090	Megatron- where is this 24 drops stat from? I can only find up to date drop stats at 18, tying us with Detroit, ironically. As, you know, like 8 drops were in that game. But where did you get 24?
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Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1220345	No. That seemed like more of a blanket statement.
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11-16-2023, 08:23 PM	#7182
Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1220345	That's only part of it. They need to get the ball out in space in the hands of Toney and Hardman way more often than we have up to this point. As limited as some aspects of their repertoire is, they're both elite at YAC and that's one aspect we're sorely missing.
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