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Old 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM  
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****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****
They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.
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Old 11-15-2023, 02:47 PM   #6976
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Old 11-15-2023, 02:56 PM   #6977
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Yes. Not surprising at all. Thats why IMO, the offense going forward after the bye, is going to look pretty much like it did before the bye. The only real improvement is going to occur if the guys counted on to step up this year, actually do. Oh, and maybe they might throw to Rice more. Which is a good thing.
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Old 11-15-2023, 02:59 PM   #6978
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Well.....
Oh, FFS.
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Old 11-15-2023, 03:02 PM   #6979
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I can't imagine a scenario where Andy says anything other than that. If he came out and said straight up that Moore has been a disappointment that kid would never catch another pass.
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Old 11-15-2023, 03:03 PM   #6980
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Well.....
This is kinda misleading.

He says Reid is bullish on both Moore and Rice. That’s basically all.

Did someone really think he was gonna go and throw the young receivers under the bus and say otherwise?

Snap count says it all.
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Old 11-15-2023, 03:14 PM   #6981
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I can't imagine a scenario where Andy says anything other than that. If he came out and said straight up that Moore has been a disappointment that kid would never catch another pass.
You're right.
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Old 11-15-2023, 03:21 PM   #6982
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We haven't needed to extend our guys bc veach is so good at replacing them. But it also uncovers one of my concerns about going all in on this defense. We're gonna learn pretty quickly that keeping an elite defense is a faucet you can't turn off. If you divert focus for even just a year your pipeline falls behind. Arguably even with all the picks we've thrown at defense we still have big decisions to make on guys like Willie gay, CJ, danna, etc....

I still think the goal for this defense is ultimately to be great but maybe more on the edge of elite than actually elite. While they're elite it's awesome to have. Let's ride the hell out of it. But is that sustainable? I dunno. I do feel like the offense, on the other hand, is really easy to sustain and requires a way lower investment to make us elite. All the more reason to always ensure the offense is set for years to come.
It's certainly not easier to keep an elite offense than defense. It's equally difficult, as we've seen.
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Old 11-15-2023, 04:20 PM   #6983
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It's certainly not easier to keep an elite offense than defense. It's equally difficult, as we've seen.
But....we've kept an elite offense for the entirety of Pat's tenure here.

Defense varies year to year.
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Old 11-15-2023, 04:29 PM   #6984
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I feel like it’s easier to gameplan around weaknesses on an offense as long as you have a good gameplan and are strong enough elsewhere. We made it from 2018-2020 (until both Fisher and Schwartz went down) with IMO a below average interior OL and runningbacks and still had arguably the best offense in the league every year.

It seems like the defense has to be at a minimum above average at every position to be a great defense, any particular weakness can be exploited by offenses.

Having said that, there are teams like Baltimore who have had a lot of turnover on defense and keep on churning.
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Andy is still bullish on MEHHHH as well.
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He's developing.
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Old 11-15-2023, 05:26 PM   #6987
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Old 11-15-2023, 05:34 PM   #6988
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All "bullish" means in this situation, is they're not ready to give up yet

We love him, he will still get his two targets per game
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It's certainly not easier to keep an elite offense than defense. It's equally difficult, as we've seen.
Wait a minute haven't you been ranting for months about how we had a prolific offense without any semblance of talent? This is despite as of last year investing pocket change for WRs, intentionally leaving a giant hole at RT, and walking into last season with a 7th round pick to fix our holes in the running game.

How can you say it's been nearly the same when we've been pumping blue chip draft picks and trade ups for defense for 5 years. And even still every year prior to this people have complained about our defense. It's really hard to build a defense and much as I love spags he is way less reliable building a consistently dominant defense as Reid. CJ is a playmaker but he's nowhere near the difference maker as mahomes. We probably need a lot of talent and depth to consistently cook on defense. This year we have both. Is that sustainable? Not nearly as much as offense

I think most people agree that with mahomes we don't need Justin Jefferson or Trent Williams. We need competent talent and if we out a fraction of the attention on offense as we've done for defense we would have elite talent on offense too. Before anyone twists my words that isn't to say we shouldn't build a great defense. But we set a low bar for how much talent mahomes and Reid need to cook, and we haven't hit that this year as of yet. We aren't excelling on offense because we haven't tried very hard to hit a low bar, not because it is extraordinarily hard.
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