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Old 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM  
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They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.
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Old 11-07-2023, 10:36 AM   #6256
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I'm expecting the WR rotation to be tightened down after the bye week. We really should be playing Rice, Toney, and MVS/Watson as the main WR group. Stop trying to get everyone in there. Give the other guys 5-10 snaps a game.
It would also be nice to get back to the backfield passing game a bit and stretching the defense with Hardman/Toney end arounds.
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Old 11-07-2023, 10:37 AM   #6257
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Or maybe the entire WR room that is literally the exact same from last season sans JJSS taking massive steps backwards at the same time throughout long stretches might be indicative that it's NOT just the talent level and there are legitimate problems in the game planning and play calling.
Defenses are way better and they specifically targeted our offensive approach. Against most offenses, not just ours. Our offense play needs to be elevated that much more. we can’t rely on the same catch and run offense we used to in the past. We need to adapt.

And yeah we haven’t truly replaced juju. Rashee is a better player but he still has a long ways to go in terms of what we ask him to do and reliably beating a wide range of coverages. We still need a consistent outside threat. So yeah I think the issue is way deeper than mahomes and Reid BOTH just forgetting how to beat defenses we shredded last year
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Old 11-07-2023, 10:37 AM   #6258
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I'm expecting the WR rotation to be tightened down after the bye week. We really should be playing Rice, Toney, and MVS/Watson as the main WR group. Stop trying to get everyone in there. Give the other guys 5-10 snaps a game.


Already happened. MVS, Watson and Rice have been getting the bulk of the WR snaps for about 3 weeks now, while Toney's, Moore's, and Ross' snaps have dropped off significantly as a consequence. Multiple articles about it since last week.
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Old 11-07-2023, 10:37 AM   #6259
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Holy shit, something I agree with BWillis on. This line is giving Mahomes tons of ****ing time, but he's just holding onto the ball. He's being indecisive.
To be honest, Willie thinking the OL has played well has me doing a 180 on everything I thought I believed.

As it turns out the OL sucks and none of this is on Mahomes or Nagy/Reid. We need to spend the entire 2024 draft on offensive linemen.
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Old 11-07-2023, 10:38 AM   #6260
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We must have watched a different game. Mahomes has never had more time in the pocket this year. The oline has been great.
The offensive line wasn't great run blocking in the Miami game, but that is a different discussion.
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The offensive line wasn't great run blocking in the Miami game, but that is a different discussion.
Ohhhh well we didn't get and pay these olineman to be great at run blocking
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Defenses are way better and they specifically targeted our offensive approach. Against most offenses, not just ours. Our offense play needs to be elevated that much more. we can’t rely on the same catch and run offense we used to in the past. We need to adapt.

And yeah we haven’t truly replaced juju. Rashee is a better player but he still has a long ways to go in terms of what we ask him to do and reliably beating a wide range of coverages. We still need a consistent outside threat. So yeah I think the issue is way deeper than mahomes and Reid BOTH just forgetting how to beat defenses we shredded last year
They haven't forgotten, no, but for some reason it's sacrilege around here to acknowledge that they're prone to outright poor stretches of football. Literally every person involved in the NFL ever is.
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Old 11-07-2023, 10:50 AM   #6263
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Yeah, Taylor might want to take the Flair Flop out of his pass blocking arsenal.
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If you pause it at 4 seconds he has two receivers wide open
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If you pause it at 4 seconds he has two receivers wide open


Just for clarification, who's open?
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By and large we have had great opening scripts in every single game. We’ve done this back when vermeil put together great opening scripts to work around Jordan black or when Chad henne has looked spectacular for a drive or 2 then looked below average once he gets into flow of game. It is easy to script guys open when you have a mastermind like vermeil or Reid.

Defenses adjust. We’ve had games where kelce started red hot then was flat out blanketed after Adjustment. We’ve had games including the jets where we focused on 12 personnel and we got Pacheco and gray heavily involved early. Defenses adjusted to find ways to limit these guys. Miami decided they were going to start mugging our WRs. We still targeted a lot of the same guys but it disrupted our timing and trust. At some point you can’t just scheme everybody open. You gotta rely on them to get open on their own and the one dimensionalness of our talent gives us way less flexibility to adapt to flow of game
Defenses adjust after 7 plays.

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Just for clarification, who's open?
Noah Gray immediately pops out as open near the bottom.
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The DT grabs Thuney when he goes to the stunt and he gets off balance.

It's what the DT is taught to do.
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If you pause it at 4 seconds he has two receivers wide open
I guess. They were open 10-15 yds short of the first down and only Watson probably had a chance. Looks like his route was in breaking though
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