Chiefs ****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread**** - Page 390

Sofa King · 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM

They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.

RunKC · 10-31-2023, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The WR problem is a talent issue… not fixable.

MVS, Skyy Moore, and Toney are veteran WR’s in this offense (30 games in, yes Skyy is a veteran)… how are you “fixing” them?

Kelce is a plus player and so is Rice. He's only gonna get better as the year goes on. Rice was first among receivers in snaps in Denver.

I think Toney's toe injury is bothering him which is why his snap count has been much lower.

They need to focus the offense on Kelce, Rice, Pacheco and gadget/screens through Hardman and sometimes Toney. Hardman, Toney and MVS have legit speed. Rice has legit YAC ability. Use those guys to get chunk plays.

BleedingRed · 10-31-2023, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The WRs would look better if there was a RB good enough to get a half dozen or so targets on passes out of the backfield.

I get being spoiled by Jamaal Charles ****s up the perception but Reid's offense seems to need that type of pass catcher..

Pop can do it,

They just are not doing it.

**dirk digler** · 10-31-2023, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

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For the first time in a long time, it just doesn't *feel* like we're fine. Extremely hopeful to be proven wrong and not be disappointed in January.

To be fair, this is why it is hard to repeat in any professional league. Only natural players get complacent, injuries happen etc etc.

BleedingRed · 10-31-2023, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

To be fair, this is why it is hard to repeat in any professional league. Only natural players get complacent, injuries happen etc etc.

Or front offices get complacent

**dirk digler** · 10-31-2023, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Or front offices get complacent

yeah, basically everyone gets complacent. Winning a SB buys everyone more time...

**Bearcat** · 10-31-2023, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Because every damn team has at least one issue, the current one we have seems like a kinda big deal, and if you just wanna ignore and it's not anything to discuss without a bunch of namecalling then why does this place exist?

I basically covered it in my other post, but it doesn't really have anything to do with ignoring issues, it's more about acknowledging nobody has a clue as to what will happen, so why predict doom and gloom and then extrapolate it out for the entirety of Mahomes' career (I wish that was hyperbole, but sadly it's not for some).

You started earlier with "How many games will this stubborn type of attitude cost them?" and "the offense looks like balls for huge periods of time".... that seems far more like bait than discussing the issues to me, not sure what else you could expect from the responses.. and then add in your history of making the worst of everything.

The discussion earlier with some of the film breakdown was great... nobody was taking one play and extrapolating it to the playoffs and beyond, it was just taking a few plays for what they're worth.... a few plays, and analyzing what might have happened.

Shit goes downhill when it's "derp, they lost to the Broncos, no way they'll beat the Dolphins!!" and the impending doom of the postseason, etc.

Nobody ****ing knows.

Imon Yourside · 10-31-2023, 03:47 PM

Oh no they still suck...I would Start Rice and Watson

crayzkirk · 10-31-2023, 03:58 PM

This forum never fails to deliver...

There was a comment comparing playing poor teams to a root canal; well, I sat in the chair for three hours this morning. Between the $1k out of pocket and pain, I'd much rather sit and watch the Chiefs/Broncos game again.

Without alcohol or gummies...

Maybe our resident dentist can answer this one...

Why do they ask questions and try to talk to you when they have their hands, the assistants hands and several instruments in your mouth?

**BossChief** · 10-31-2023, 03:59 PM

Gotta applaud them for sticking to the plan. We might not like it, but these coaches see something in Skyy Moore that we aren’t seeing. Something that requires development but offers significant upside.

They see a vision where this WR group is hitting their stride in December.

I sure hope they’re right.

Sassy Squatch · 10-31-2023, 04:01 PM

Sure, it's the second they sunk into him.

jerryaldini · 10-31-2023, 04:02 PM

It's human nature to defend and persist in high profile decisions, even in the face of contradictory evidence. It was interesting watching how uncomfortable Veach appeared stretching to defend his drafting of Moore in that video posted here yesterday. A pick so against chalk, equivalent to a Reid cute horizontal short yardage play call, that it was easy for any amateur to criticize at the time.

These guys are highly successful humans, doing what comes with that territory. They've managed to build a near dynasty by getting by far the most important decision right in the 2017 draft, and for that they get unending gratitude. But we can still acknowledge, without being unthankful or disloyal, that the WR situation is mostly ****ed up for this season, and wonder about the talent evaluation at that particular position if somehow the FO actually believed wbf with Toney and Moore as #1 and #2. I just can't get past how short sighted that seemed, and many of us were saying it preseason and getting shouted down because "2 rings".

crispystl · 10-31-2023, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

100% this

And I still think the plan was to give Moore half a season to see if he could be the guy. He can't be the guy and now they gotta pivot to what's working.

I wonder if it's a combination of that and load managing Toney.
See what you can get from Moore and if he doesn't show anyhting after a few more games give Toney the snaps.

MahomesMagic · 10-31-2023, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Or front offices get complacent

I think the plan was to do with the WRs what they did to the CBs last year.

Cheap, talented guys and let them grow as the year goes on.

The issue I have is that they don't have a McDuffie and they didn't find a Josh Williams and Jaylon Watson at WR.

Their plan made sense but once they saw Skyy doesn't belong on an NFL field and Toney always hurt and MVS is what he is they could have used that new data to make an adjustment.

Megatron96 · 10-31-2023, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

You're talking about playing in the Super Bowl, which means getting past the other AFC teams. How far did the Chiefs go in the AFC playoffs before Mahomes? They had a very good defense, Kelce, and even Tyreek/Kareem Hunt in 2017.

Seriously, you think Andy couldn't get to and win just one SB with the SF team as it's constructed right now?

Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, Juszcyk (sp?), CMC, Trent Williams, Bosa, Fred Warner, Greenlaw, Hafunga (sp?), Gipson, etc.? And then add Travis Kelce? I mean, how many Pro-Bowlers/future HOFers are on that team?

And while we had a decent/good defense back in 2016, we never had SF's top-5 defense for the last, what? 5 years, until this season.

So, what you guys are saying is that Andy is such a bad coach that with a top-5 defense and one of the most talented offenses from top to bottom, he couldn't win even ONE Super Bowl over the last 5-6 years?

Shit. He found ways to win with the likes of Matt Moore and Chad Henne. But Andy's not good enough to find a way to win one championship with one of the most talented rosters in the NFL over the last 5 years.

The disrespect for Andy is really dumbfounding, lol.

BWillie · 10-31-2023, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Toney doesn’t look healthy. It’s a bummer to see, but we knew the risk when they acquired him. At least Toney is not expensive like the often-injured Sammy Watkins & Frank Clark.

He looks absolutely fine. Hes just a below avg wide receiver. Nonetheless he should still be getting snaps over Skyy Moore who is not a NFL WR.

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jerryaldini MVP Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $2630400	It's human nature to defend and persist in high profile decisions, even in the face of contradictory evidence. It was interesting watching how uncomfortable Veach appeared stretching to defend his drafting of Moore in that video posted here yesterday. A pick so against chalk, equivalent to a Reid cute horizontal short yardage play call, that it was easy for any amateur to criticize at the time. These guys are highly successful humans, doing what comes with that territory. They've managed to build a near dynasty by getting by far the most important decision right in the 2017 draft, and for that they get unending gratitude. But we can still acknowledge, without being unthankful or disloyal, that the WR situation is mostly **ed up for this season, and wonder about the talent evaluation at that particular position if somehow the FO actually believed wbf with Toney and Moore as #1 and #2.** I just can't get past how short sighted that seemed, and many of us were saying it preseason and getting shouted down because "2 rings". Last edited by jerryaldini; 10-31-2023 at 04:08 PM..
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