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Old 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM  
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****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****
They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.
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Old 10-23-2023, 07:09 AM   #4771
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This is ridiculous. He's effectively a rookie who has a particular skillset and runs a limited route tree at this point. The only guy who has truly separated from him in an apples-to-apples way is Rice and no one is surprised by that.

The dude was an undrafted FA and now is on a team that's still trying to figure itself out as the favorites to win the SB. The only real cream that has risen to the top is Rice - the rest of the grade for these receivers is very incomplete.

And I was a real pump-the-breaks guy on Ross during training camp so it's not like I've been fawning over him forever.
Where are his snaps going to come from? He's STILL a sub package only guy and it's going to get worse once Hardman is fully integrated, Watson is back from injury, and Toney is taking his usual snaps.
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Old 10-23-2023, 07:10 AM   #4772
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Toney didn't get many snaps yesterday either. That experiment may be over too.
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Old 10-23-2023, 07:27 AM   #4773
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You saw some things out of Mecole in his 11 snaps yesterday?
Yes. The miscue on the whip route was the kind of “get to the edge” run we know we can juice from him. And we saw that he can stretch the ball vertically. I think getting a few very specific targets in only 11 snaps a few days after being re-integrated is a good sign of trust. Again, I’d love to have more guys who get consistent target shares and I can see mecole doing that. His role is still probably a little niche but no doubt he makes us better.
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Old 10-23-2023, 07:29 AM   #4774
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Yeah, that offense was just unreal. 2018 was the highlight of offense for the Chiefs and this group.

They're still really good. It's ok because now the defense is elite and the offense probably is too.
Agreed.

BTW on Ross and Toney, Ross got more snaps then Toney did. Wonder what is up with Toney.
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Old 10-23-2023, 07:31 AM   #4775
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Not even like I'm insulting him as a player. Plenty of guys in that tier have been respectfully productive here. Robinson and Pringle come to mind, and even Watson probably slots into that group. It's just the unfortunate reality for him that he's playing in a very crowded room AND has a shorter contract due to being a UDFA when the Chiefs picked him up.
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Old 10-23-2023, 07:32 AM   #4776
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Where are his snaps going to come from? He's STILL a sub package only guy and it's going to get worse once Hardman is fully integrated, Watson is back from injury, and Toney is taking his usual snaps.
They may not come from anywhere. This may be his role on the 2023 Chiefs.

That hardly means he's a lost cause or beyond redemption.
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Old 10-23-2023, 07:32 AM   #4777
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Toney didn't get many snaps yesterday either. That experiment may be over too.
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Agreed.

BTW on Ross and Toney, Ross got more snaps then Toney did. Wonder what is up with Toney.
They’re not picking up his 5th year option.

Makes sense to develop other younger, cheaper receivers.
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They may not come from anywhere. This may be his role on the 2023 Chiefs.

That hardly means he's a lost cause or beyond redemption.
If he's not getting reps/snaps/targets with this group, what leads us to believe he'll get more next year after they potentially add more to the room?
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Agreed.

BTW on Ross and Toney, Ross got more snaps then Toney did. Wonder what is up with Toney.
Feel like Toney and Mvs are guys you can interchange based on what the defenses throw at you.
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If he's not getting reps/snaps/targets with this group, what leads us to believe he'll get more next year after they potentially add more to the room?
Yeah, that's a part of it too. It'll largely be the same quagmire he finds himself in now.

Rice
Toney
MVS
Moore
Watson

And honestly won't be shocked if Hardman is back on a cheap deal next year as well, unless he explodes during this stretch.
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Ross is halfway through a rookie season with a coach and an offense where rookies don't get a lot of snaps right away. He should at least get the full season of deference that Moore got from most people before he gets stamped a JAG on 6 targets
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I mean, the leniency Moore got was just wishful thinking by folks waiting for him to take the next step. Same as it is with Rice.
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Snaps yesterday (%) (previous game %)

MVS - 47 (69%) (56%)
Moore - 41 (60%) (52%)
Rice - 40 (59%) (49%)
Ross - 17 (25%) (14%)
Toney - 13 (19%) (42%)
Hardman - 11 (16%) (n/a)
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Yeahhhhhhh...this team is REALLY REALLY good guys, and it looks like the AFC is down a tad overall this year. Plus we have the east and the north beating the ever-loving shit out of each other.
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Snaps yesterday (%) (previous game %)

MVS - 47 (69%) (56%)
Moore - 41 (60%) (52%)
Rice - 40 (59%) (49%)
Ross - 17 (25%) (14%)
Toney - 13 (19%) (42%)
Hardman - 11 (16%) (n/a)
Oh man. So he IS getting snaps, just not doing much with them.
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