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Old 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM  
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They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.
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Old 09-08-2023, 02:30 PM   #556
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Has anyone offered even a slight tip of the cap to MVS in this thread?

Because he was actually pretty damn good. The only guy I noticed out there who seemed genuinely full speed and looked like a competent NFL WR. He was just moving differently. I wasn't really watching the OL/DL matchup at all and was only looking at routes/combos because I was curious how they'd deal with missing Kelce.

And as I was watching the routes, MVS looked noticeably better than anyone out there, including Rice. He was confident in his movements and in attacking the ball. It's maybe the one positive takeaway I had from the offense tonight. I could tell which one was him before I could pick up the numbers. He looked like a real handful for that secondary and just wasn't getting the ball for some reason.

Mahomes had him down the left sideline once for a likely score and then on a deep crosser that was a DEFINITE score. I mean it was as bad a missed shot as you'll see from a good quarterback. I bet it's in one of these clips out here. I couldn't believe he didn't pull the trigger. He was going from Mahomes right to his left and I swear Mahomes looked right at him - just wouldn't let the ball go.

MVS had me optimistic for him going forward. He looked legit.

EDIT: Well hell, looks like Clay mentioned the play I'm talking about already. Yeah - that was so very bad.
MVS & Watson both played well. I posted in game thread that Mahomes should give MVS a fancy dinner for that big time 3rd and Long conversion over the middle. The throw was setting up MVS to get absolutely killed by the secondary guys. Fortunately MVS bounced right back up after the play. It was a hell of a catch in a tough spot.
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We should be happy Dan Campbell is a moron though really..

If they had given Gibbs the amount of carries Montgomery had that game wouldn't have looked like that...dude was close to ripping one off.

Goff missed Brown on a 60 yard TD...kinda weird how they seemed to not use their 2 best guys most of the game.

Yeah, Gibbs was ripping off 6 yds every rush. He had one in the first half that went for 8 yds, then inexplicably their OC called two pass plays in a row that went for nothing, and they had to punt.

It was like they had Gibbs on a really strict pitch count.

Same with Brown. He made some nice plays, but it was like then OC was saving him for some reason.


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MVS & Watson both played well. I posted in game thread that Mahomes should give MVS a fancy dinner for that big time 3rd and Long conversion over the middle. The throw was setting up MVS to get absolutely killed by the secondary guys. Fortunately MVS bounced right back up after the play. It was a hell of a catch in a tough spot.
Yeah - that was a Buechele in the pre-season pass. Just good enough that the WR is gonna have a play on it, just late enough that he's gonna take a SHOT to make the play.

MVS, for a guy who takes shit for being 'just a deep threat' has demonstrated a willingness to expose himself in his time here. I really do like him and hope that he and PM can continue to develop chemistry. I think there's 1,000 yard potential there.
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That's going to make zone defenses particularly effective against us, as we saw last night.
You know who destroys zone? Travis ****ing Kelce. Losing him alone ****ed everything up, but it really ****ed up our gameplan losing him that late.

The Lions played 2 deep constantly with zone. Kelce would have neutered the shit out of the middle of the field forcing them to rethink having 2 deep.

When they change it up Mahomes usually goes deep to MVS like we saw one time last night.

If Kelce plays we probably score 30 on them
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Yeah - that was a Buechele in the pre-season pass. Just good enough that the WR is gonna have a play on it, just late enough that he's gonna take a SHOT to make the play.

MVS, for a guy who takes shit for being 'just a deep threat' has demonstrated a willingness to expose himself in his time here. I really do like him and hope that he and PM can continue to develop chemistry. I think there's 1,000 yard potential there.
They might not have made it past Jacksonville or Cincy in the Playoffs without MVS coming up with huge TD plays on 3rd down.
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I just don't get whats up with Moore

Clip after clip of him roasting our starters in camp, praise being heaped on how much growth he displayed by the coaches

And then they basically didn't play him at all in the preseason, which most people could reasonably assume meant they felt they didn't need to see any more of him, that he was "ready to go"
I’m still curious to see how he plays off kelce. Seems his value is in a role of catch and run, and kelce opens up a lot of stuff underneath. From there decide if skyy or James is better suited.
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You know who destroys zone? Travis ****ing Kelce. Losing him alone ****ed everything up, but it really ****ed up our gameplan losing him that late.

The Lions played 2 deep constantly with zone. Kelce would have neutered the shit out of the middle of the field forcing them to rethink having 2 deep.

When they change it up Mahomes usually goes deep to MVS like we saw one time last night.

If Kelce plays we probably score 30 on them
And I'm gonna cringe at the number of times 83 found space in that game. I sure felt like I saw him open out there and again - we just didn't pull the trigger.

Losing Kelce after installs and everything really screwed our pooch. That's just such a tough thing to have happen that close to gametime. And it clearly impacted Mahomes.

Had he had a week to acclimate, I think he's much sharper. But 48 hours prior to gametime (and with it being in the air up until mid-day), there was just so much that we couldn't meaningfully change in our offense. And Mahomes/Kelce have an historically great chemistry so without that, things were just different.

Yeah, that's a walk over if Kelce's out there.
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I’m still curious to see how he plays off kelce. Seems his value is in a role of catch and run, and kelce opens up a lot of stuff underneath. From there decide if skyy or James is better suited.
I would actually kinda like to see how he performs without Kelce AND a full week of installs.

Because really, Kelce and Moore will occupy the same space a lot. And there's a world where you can use Moore in those areas of the field in lieu of Kelce.

There just wasn't time to get it done this week.

The short timelines involved here can't be overstated. It really ****ing sucked.
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I’m still curious to see how he plays off kelce. Seems his value is in a role of catch and run, and kelce opens up a lot of stuff underneath. From there decide if skyy or James is better suited.
Kelce certainly changes the dynamics, but this guy was billed as a route runner so he should be able to get open more often than not, with or without Kelce

All the camp reviews were positively glowing, its just puzzling why that didn't translate to the field last night
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Has anyone offered even a slight tip of the cap to MVS in this thread?

Because he was actually pretty damn good. The only guy I noticed out there who seemed genuinely full speed and looked like a competent NFL WR. He was just moving differently. I wasn't really watching the OL/DL matchup at all and was only looking at routes/combos because I was curious how they'd deal with missing Kelce.

And as I was watching the routes, MVS looked noticeably better than anyone out there, including Rice. He was confident in his movements and in attacking the ball. It's maybe the one positive takeaway I had from the offense tonight. I could tell which one was him before I could pick up the numbers. He looked like a real handful for that secondary and just wasn't getting the ball for some reason.

Mahomes had him down the left sideline once for a likely score and then on a deep crosser that was a DEFINITE score. I mean it was as bad a missed shot as you'll see from a good quarterback. I bet it's in one of these clips out here. I couldn't believe he didn't pull the trigger. He was going from Mahomes right to his left and I swear Mahomes looked right at him - just wouldn't let the ball go.

MVS had me optimistic for him going forward. He looked legit.

EDIT: Well hell, looks like Clay mentioned the play I'm talking about already. Yeah - that was so very bad.
Not sure what thread it was but I certainly did. He is our best WR and doesn't make sense why he is only getting 2 targets.
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Sure looks like I missed badly on my Skyy eval.

Hopefully things click for him soon.
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That just adds weight to what DJ was saying last night. Mahomes was off and not playing as great as everyone thought he was.
Not really. U can find someone u think is open on any play
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