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Direckshun · 09-08-2023, 09:33 AM

Don't hate on me here, I'm just theorizing. Instead of doing what some of you always do and call me an idiot, dispute the point I'm making, please.

One thing that was absolutely nuts, watching this game, was something I'm not sure I've ever seen before, on both sides of the ball.

The Chiefs, on a down-to-down basis, completely changed up their DL and their weapons on offense. Again, on nearly a down-to-down basis.

They'd have Karlaftis-Nnadi-Dickerson-Herring on one down (which, oh my god) and then the next down they'd have Danna and Wharton subbing in, before bringing in FAU and sometimes even Chenal at DE as a rushbacker.

On offense, there was all kinds of bizarre weapons packages. One down they go three TEs with Justyn Ross off to the side. They have MVS/Toney/Moore on a down only to yank 2/3 of them off so Watson/Rice can come in.

I'm just kind of used to a team that plays a true 1st string and a true 2nd string when the 1st stringers need a blow. Instead, it was a personnel free-for-all.

I get it, the Chiefs are down a few guys. So, logically, you put in your best remaining players and occasionally spell then, rather than just keep a lazy susan of your entire depth chart going. I haven't been able to find the snapcounts, but if Matt Dickerson lead our DTs in snaps, I wouldn't be surprised. There's no way he's our best, or even second best DT.

The defense played well, and the offense had enough in them to win the game yesterday. They just couldn't hold onto the ball.

But it did have a feeling of throwing-shit-against-the-wall in the gameplanning.

Hammock Parties · 09-08-2023, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TLO

Well 4th, but your point is taken.

Too early for this shit. My head is still ringing from last night.

Hammock Parties · 09-08-2023, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I think especially later, Reid was trying to **** with Detroit. Their coaching staff is all young and comparatively inexperienced. Some of it was certainly exploitative of Xs and Os, some of it was stressing their communication and decision making systems, which is smart.

I didn't really have a problem with Reid's gameplan outside the absolute failure of the Blake Bell formation.

He got guys open.

We appear to have a lot of explosion back in the offense that was missing last year. They just need to catch the ball.

The running game is going to need some work, and I wonder if we miss EB there.

DenverChief · 09-08-2023, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Don't hate on me here, I'm just theorizing. Instead of doing what some of you always do and call me an idiot, dispute the point I'm making, please.

One thing that was absolutely nuts, watching this game, was something I'm not sure I've ever seen before, on both sides of the ball.

The Chiefs, on a down-to-down basis, completely changed up their DL and their weapons on offense. Again, on nearly a down-to-down basis.

They'd have Karlaftis-Nnadi-Dickerson-Herring on one down (which, oh my god) and then the next down they'd have Danna and Wharton subbing in, before bringing in FAU and sometimes even Chenal at DE as a rushbacker.

On offense, there was all kinds of bizarre weapons packages. One down they go three TEs with Justyn Ross off to the side. They have MVS/Toney/Moore on a down only to yank 2/3 of them off so Watson/Rice can come in.

I'm just kind of used to a team that plays a true 1st string and a true 2nd string when the 1st stringers need a blow. Instead, it was a personnel free-for-all.

I get it, the Chiefs are down a few guys. So, logically, you put in your best remaining players and occasionally spell then, rather than just keep a lazy susan of your entire depth chart going. I haven't been able to find the snapcounts, but if Matt Dickerson lead our DTs in snaps, I wouldn't be surprised. There's no way he's our best, or even second best DT.

The defense played well, and the offense had enough in them to win the game yesterday. They just couldn't hold onto the ball.

But it did have a feeling of throwing-shit-against-the-wall in the gameplanning.

I'm glad you brought this up - I didn't notice it on Defense but definitely saw it on Offense - was rather strange - the only exception was McKinnon not really getting a chance to do anything - I think he only had a handful of snaps.

**Buehler445** · 09-08-2023, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I didn't really have a problem with Reid's gameplan outside the absolute failure of the Blake Bell formation.

He got guys open.

We appear to have a lot of explosion back in the offense that was missing last year. They just need to catch the ball.

The running game is going to need some work, and I wonder if we miss EB there.

Agree.

I think the short FG on 4th and short should have been a go for it, the Blake Bell play sucked shit. And someone should have gotten Toney out of there. Dude was shell shocked. Other than that, I thought Reid called a good game.

But hot take: Reid outcoached Campbell.

DenverChief · 09-08-2023, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Toney = coming off an injury
Pacheco = coming off an injury
Kelce = out
Rice = rookie
Skyy = second year player and wasn’t a major factor in the offense last year
CEH = got more touches than he should, likely due to Pacheco coming off an injury
Gray = has never really needed to be our TE1

That explains a lot of discombobulation on offense.

The OL was great in pass pro. I won’t judge the run game when CEH has that many carries.

A lot to feel good about, because drops lost us the game. Simple as. That can be corrected.

And Rice seemed like the best WR last night - super strange.

KCJake · 09-08-2023, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It felt like a fifth preseason game for the offense.

Mahomes looked extremely frustrated for most the game. Dropped back to pass, immediately said "F it, I've gotta get the the 1st down with my legs." He did this several times. Not much faith in the WR's.

KCJake · 09-08-2023, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

And Rice seemed like the best WR last night - super strange.

Even he had a couple drops I believe.

mr. tegu · 09-08-2023, 10:49 AM

What’s to dispute? It was especially noticeable on offense with the receivers. Just complete randomness. And it showed with Mahomes’ play. I’m quite certain there were guys open at times he just missed, largely because they had no rhythm and barely knew who was out there.

InChiefsHeaven · 09-08-2023, 10:58 AM

That game to me was about body language. No fire on the offense at all. Every time they showed Andy, he just had a dead look in his eyes. I dunno, it just didn't FEEL like a Chiefs regular season game.

Mahomes was visibly frustrated all night. When he had to make plays with his feet, I get the feeling he was seeing guys not getting open and was like "Goddamit, I guess I'll have to do this shit myself."

He actually had a great night, he was off a couple of times, but I think that owes to the fact that he didn't trust any of those ****ers to get the job done.

InChiefsHeaven · 09-08-2023, 10:59 AM

Oh and Direkshun is an idiot.

smithandrew051 · 09-08-2023, 11:03 AM

I’m sure Detroit fans are excited, and rightfully so.

However if any Detroit fans watched that and believes the Lions are on the same level as the Chiefs, then they’re delusional.

There is a sizable gap between the two. Chiefs win by 10+ by just making the easy catches.

Chiefs win by 20 when they make the easy catches and add 2 top 10 NFL players.

dlphg9 · 09-08-2023, 11:11 AM

Ummm, according to XZTop (aka slack jaw) we didn't sub anyone out on the dline.

DenverChief · 09-08-2023, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJake

Even he had a couple drops I believe.

he did - he just led all WR's in catches and TD's 3/5 25 yds and a TD

DenverChief · 09-08-2023, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven

That game to me was about body language. No fire on the offense at all. Every time they showed Andy, he just had a dead look in his eyes. I dunno, it just didn't FEEL like a Chiefs regular season game.

Mahomes was visibly frustrated all night. When he had to make plays with his feet, I get the feeling he was seeing guys not getting open and was like "Goddamit, I guess I'll have to do this shit myself."

He actually had a great night, he was off a couple of times, but I think that owes to the fact that he didn't trust any of those ****ers to get the job done.

YES! I agree Andy did not look like he was "present" and Pat was super irritated. This is why I think things get smoothed out this week - no way in hell is a pissed Pat going to let things slide during the week

dlphg9 · 09-08-2023, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by xztop123

Kc is not rotating their d line at all.

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Originally Posted by xztop123

I don’t think felix has played a single snap

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Originally Posted by xztop123

We’re not rotating on d line at all.

Who am I gonna believe? You or the dude with the worst game in the KC metro?

09-08-2023, 09:33 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2153447	Something else that's worth considering. Don't hate on me here, I'm just theorizing. Instead of doing what some of you always do and call me an idiot, dispute the point I'm making, please. One thing that was absolutely nuts, watching this game, was something I'm not sure I've ever seen before, on both sides of the ball. The Chiefs, on a down-to-down basis, completely changed up their DL and their weapons on offense. Again, on nearly a down-to-down basis. They'd have Karlaftis-Nnadi-Dickerson-Herring on one down (which, oh my god) and then the next down they'd have Danna and Wharton subbing in, before bringing in FAU and sometimes even Chenal at DE as a rushbacker. On offense, there was all kinds of bizarre weapons packages. One down they go three TEs with Justyn Ross off to the side. They have MVS/Toney/Moore on a down only to yank 2/3 of them off so Watson/Rice can come in. I'm just kind of used to a team that plays a true 1st string and a true 2nd string when the 1st stringers need a blow. Instead, it was a personnel free-for-all. I get it, the Chiefs are down a few guys. So, logically, you put in your best remaining players and occasionally spell then, rather than just keep a lazy susan of your entire depth chart going. I haven't been able to find the snapcounts, but if Matt Dickerson lead our DTs in snaps, I wouldn't be surprised. There's no way he's our best, or even second best DT. The defense played well, and the offense had enough in them to win the game yesterday. They just couldn't hold onto the ball. But it did have a feeling of throwing-shit-against-the-wall in the gameplanning.
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09-08-2023, 10:49 AM	#23
mr. tegu Forever Royal Join Date: Mar 2012 Casino cash: $-1638700	Something else that's worth considering. What’s to dispute? It was especially noticeable on offense with the receivers. Just complete randomness. And it showed with Mahomes’ play. I’m quite certain there were guys open at times he just missed, largely because they had no rhythm and barely knew who was out there.
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09-08-2023, 10:58 AM	#24
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $805437	That game to me was about body language. No fire on the offense at all. Every time they showed Andy, he just had a dead look in his eyes. I dunno, it just didn't FEEL like a Chiefs regular season game. Mahomes was visibly frustrated all night. When he had to make plays with his feet, I get the feeling he was seeing guys not getting open and was like "Goddamit, I guess I'll have to do this shit myself." He actually had a great night, he was off a couple of times, but I think that owes to the fact that he didn't trust any of those ****ers to get the job done. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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09-08-2023, 11:03 AM	#26
smithandrew051 I Like The Kansas City Chiefs Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Shawnee, KS Casino cash: $-415600	I’m sure Detroit fans are excited, and rightfully so. However if any Detroit fans watched that and believes the Lions are on the same level as the Chiefs, then they’re delusional. There is a sizable gap between the two. Chiefs win by 10+ by just making the easy catches. Chiefs win by 20 when they make the easy catches and add 2 top 10 NFL players. __________________ My 2024 Adopt a Chief: Leo Chenal My Guy 2025 NFL Draft: Logan Brown, OT, Kansas Holy Hat!
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09-08-2023, 11:11 AM	#27
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1380347	Ummm, according to XZTop (aka slack jaw) we didn't sub anyone out on the dline.
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