The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition

[TribalElder]

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute



Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd be shocked if it's not a pretty basic step-up over Williams deal with the Jets.

Something like 4 years, $100 million with $50 million in guarantees. That's where the market went and that's a fair offer for the Chiefs to have made.

And I think Jones agents are just ignoring that fact.

I was assuming something similar, maybe a little more on the annual average, which is probably the max the Chiefs could afford but after watching how Veach works I'm also assuming he shot CJ's agent this offer before the draft. So if CJ and his agent think they will make the Chiefs flinch by holding out I'm afraid they are playing chicken with a freight train.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That just leads to hurt feelings a team can tell an agent why they don't think said player is worth that and he never has to hear it...imagine the Ravens having to tell Lamar to his face we aren't giving you that guarantee because you kinda suck at passing man.

Yup - the 'buffer' effect of having an agent is a big deal that these guys seem to always overlook.

[FANATIC]

Originally Posted by RunKC

The Chiefs are absolutely playing this right. Chris Jones is a very good player but he's not worth $30 million, especially now that he's about to be 30.

People get pissy about this but take emotion out of it. He's had only 2 seasons with double-digit sacks and didn't have any sacks until this last season. His magnus opus was dominating a Bengals OL composed of backup players. And then the next game was invisible in the SB.

I like Chris but he has no leverage to demand such a high amount.

Good points. I think sacks are a bit over rated. Its much more than that. Blocked passes, total pressures , playing inside & out , stuffing the run and availability are just as important.

Maybe KC is not offering the # of years Jones wants?

Regardless: You cant reward selfish negotiating when you have a championship roster to extend and refill each season. The league is offense first and defense is an afterthought.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

The Chiefs are absolutely playing this right. Chris Jones is a very good player but he's not worth $30 million, especially now that he's about to be 30.

People get pissy about this but take emotion out of it. He's had only 2 seasons with double-digit sacks and didn't have any sacks until this last season. His magnus opus was dominating a Bengals OL composed of backup players. And then the next game was invisible in the SB.

I like Chris but he has no leverage to demand such a high amount.

That's the thing that's annoying about the "How can we not pay him as much as TJ Watt?!?!" stuff.

Watt AVERAGED 15 sacks/season prior to last year's injury year. He's demonstrated year in, year out dominance. He's been a monster.

Jones has been a very very good player and had a great quasi-platform season. But he's not been Watt. In what was arguably Jones best season (2018) our defense was hot !@#$ing garbage. Even last season we were firmly mid-pack.

This team goes as Patrick Mahomes goes. But TJ Watt has been the anchor of a defense that was pretty instrumental in any success the Steelers had. His QBs have been the corpse of Big Ben and Kenny Pickett with a Mason Rudolph interlude. Why SHOULD the Chiefs pay Jones what the Steelers paid Watt?

And I think Jones is monumentally important to this team - but he's not as important to KC as Watt is to Pittsburgh. He's not as good in a vacuum. And that's the case with Watt, Bosa, Donald and Garrett - all the guys that are being paid more than him.

He's just not being reasonable.

[Monticore]

You would think seeing what Pat has done with his brand and how that can be more lucrative than game cheques he has Luke trying to copy him , but this is going to hurt his off the field/post retirement earning potential especially if he ends up finishing his career playing on a shitty team.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's the thing that's annoying about the "How can we not pay him as much as TJ Watt?!?!" stuff.

Watt AVERAGED 15 sacks/season prior to last year's injury year. He's demonstrated year in, year out dominance. He's been a monster.

Jones has been a very very good player and had a great quasi-platform season. But he's not been Watt. In what was arguably Jones best season (2018) our defense was hot !@#$ing garbage. Even last season we were firmly mid-pack.

This team goes as Patrick Mahomes goes. But TJ Watt has been the anchor of a defense that was pretty instrumental in any success the Steelers had. His QBs have been the corpse of Big Ben and Kenny Pickett with a Mason Rudolph interlude. Why SHOULD the Chiefs pay Jones what the Steelers paid Watt?

And I think Jones is monumentally important to this team - but he's not as important to KC as Watt is to Pittsburgh. He's not as good in a vacuum. And that's the case with Watt, Bosa, Donald and Garrett - all the guys that are being paid more than him.

He's just not being reasonable.

Watt is also younger...the only guy on that list older than Jones is Donald and a big reason he got that deal is because he threatened to retire.

[jettio]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That just leads to hurt feelings a team can tell an agent why they don't think said player is worth that and he never has to hear it...imagine the Ravens having to tell Lamar to his face we aren't giving you that guarantee because you kinda suck at passing man.

So you think that it was the Ravens said?

You don't guarantee more than 2-3 years because it is a dumb decision for a team to do that with any player.

The money the Ravens are paying Lamar Jackson says that they believe in him as a QB.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Watt is also younger...the only guy on that list older than Jones is Donald and a big reason he got that deal is because he threatened to retire.

And the Rams were pushing their chips in for a final run before they had to deal with the consequences of their draft pick trades.

They HAD to have Donald. Where they were in the competitive cycle put them over a barrel.

The Chiefs aren't there. Donald ****ed the Rams because he could - Jones can't do that.

[O.city]

Hard for me to compare a dt to a de but that’s what he wants to be paid like so …..

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by jettio

So you think that it was the Ravens said?

You don't guarantee more than 2-3 years because it is a dumb decision for a team to do that with any player.

The money the Ravens are paying Lamar Jackson says that they believe in him as a QB.

When you have to negotiate directly with a player it isn't hard to get hurt feelings. A GM and an agent can talk about upside and downfalls and why said player falls into a certain tier.

It's much more precarious when you have to tell a guy who thinks he's your franchise player he isn't as good as he thinks he is.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Players have a short window to make as much guaranteed money as possible. Once an injury happens, the team will discard them and use every measure possible to not pay them and/or get out of the contract.

Then sitting out and throwing money away is the exact worst thing he could be doing for himself, if money is what he's after.

If his primary objective is money, then reporting and balling out this year is the best thing you can do. You get all the money you are owed this year and you set yourself up great for a top dollar contract with someone.

By sitting, you are now actively throwing away money that is owed to you, driving down your value on the tag, and actively driving down your own value on your next contract in the eyes of other owners.

[Tonka83]

Originally Posted by Mecca

When you have to negotiate directly with a player it isn't hard to get hurt feelings. A GM and an agent can talk about upside and downfalls and why said player falls into a certain tier.

It's much more precarious when you have to tell a guy who thinks he's your franchise player he isn't as good as he thinks he is.

It's probably even more precarious when you have to tell that to the players mom. LOL

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's the thing that's annoying about the "How can we not pay him as much as TJ Watt?!?!" stuff.

Watt AVERAGED 15 sacks/season prior to last year's injury year. He's demonstrated year in, year out dominance. He's been a monster.

Jones has been a very very good player and had a great quasi-platform season. But he's not been Watt. In what was arguably Jones best season (2018) our defense was hot !@#$ing garbage. Even last season we were firmly mid-pack.

This team goes as Patrick Mahomes goes. But TJ Watt has been the anchor of a defense that was pretty instrumental in any success the Steelers had. His QBs have been the corpse of Big Ben and Kenny Pickett with a Mason Rudolph interlude. Why SHOULD the Chiefs pay Jones what the Steelers paid Watt?

And I think Jones is monumentally important to this team - but he's not as important to KC as Watt is to Pittsburgh. He's not as good in a vacuum. And that's the case with Watt, Bosa, Donald and Garrett - all the guys that are being paid more than him.

He's just not being reasonable.

Speaking of...what the hell is going on in SF? Nick Bosa is probably the only DL in the league currently that deserves an Aaron Donald contract. It's bizarre that they haven't gotten that done, especially with that team.

Damn John. You're the GM of a team that just shit away 3 draft picks and has a rookie QB contract on the books for at least 3 more years. What's the hold up?

You could make an argument for Micah Parsons, but Nick Bosa is that guy. He's incredible. Take him off that team and they suffer immensely.

I don't get it

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Speaking of...what the hell is going on in SF? Nick Bosa is probably the only DL in the league currently that deserves an Aaron Donald contract. It's bizarre that they haven't gotten that done, especially with that team.

Damn John. You're the GM of a team that just shit away 3 draft picks and has a rookie QB contract on the books for at least 3 more years. What's the hold up?

You could make an argument for Micah Parsons, but Nick Bosa is that guy. He's incredible. Take him off that team and they suffer immensely.

I don't get it

Trying to understand the CTE addled mind of a GM that traded 3 firsts and a third for a player they let play essentially 4 games, and then trade that player away for a 4 is a fools errand.

Lynch is probably trying to find the optimal package of 5th and 6th rounders to trade Bosa for.

[O.city]

Bosa probably wants 32 per year for 5 years with 4 gtd right?