The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition

[TribalElder]

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute



Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Bro, come on. This is ALL, let me repeat, ALL about the Benjamins. This is a last contract money grab, and he's gonna get his no matter the consequences. So yeah, if it hurts the Chiefs, that's just business in his mind. It ****ing sucks, but he's not doing this for anything more than money.

The NFL = Not For Long and every team in the league, including the Chiefs, would drop him like yesterday's underwear if he got injured and couldn't perform at the same level. So I don't blame guys like CJ for getting what they can while they can. Felt the same about Hill also.

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Let me add, I think he's a moron at this point. Everyday that this thing goes on beyond yesterday, he's looking like a bigger fool, IMO.

I've been trying to figure out how he gains from holding out regular season games and it is just not making sense. Besides the fines adding up it seems to me he is damaging his value with the rest of the league. If he shows up and plays then ends the season as a UFA teams will get into a bidding war and he will find some team that will over pay for him but if he's holding out into the season aren't teams going to be more cautious about signing him, less willing to invest the $30M per he wants for a DT that will be 30 before the contract begins?
Or maybe I'm reading this wrong, IDK.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by KSCHIEF

Next year our cap situation is pretty nice (I think). Somewhere in the $50 mil range assuming a MVS cut and a CJ95 $20 mil franchise tag. We would easily be able to sign someone in the 1st wave of FA while holding CJ to his tag while we look for a trade

Even if they tag him and move into FA they can still make moves.

Kinda weird how people quickly forgot back in 2010 when Brett Veach had $177 and a Hyvee coupon in cap space but yet he extended Chris Jones, extended Sammy and gave Mahomes half a billion.

The Chiefs have all of the leverage. they can tag his fat ass and use the Mahomes contract restructure at any time they want. And Patrick won't be mad at it all. "Hey Patrick. This is Brett. We just restructured your contract to free cap space. The check for about $15 million can be sent by check or direct deposit. You choose."

Chris has no leg to stand on. He's already ****ed up but not enough to make it hurt us. If he shows up now we won't be able to afford his outrageous $30+ million cap hit which won't allow us to tag him unless it's short term to get a trade done at the combine.

If I'm an NFL player, especially on this team, I'm looking at what happened to Orlando Brown Jr and now Chris Jones and thinking "yeah that agent fee is worth it to not end up like those two."

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Exactly, this is going to be a consistent problem as long as Mahomes and Reid are here. We will keep winning big and being in the spotlight, and guys like OBJ, Hill and Jones will come and go thinking they're bigger than they really are.

It's literally the exact same thing that happened to the Patriots. They watched guys like Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy and Richard Seymour (just to name a few) price their way out of town and they just kept winning because they had Brady and Belichick. This is who we are now, and it's part of the reason so many people said maintaining a dynasty would be next to impossible. Everyone wants to be a star, everyone wants to get paid.

It was probably short sighted to think guys like Hill and Jones would just keep taking team friendly deals to stick around. Not everyone is in this league for the glory of greatness like Pat, Andy and Kelce. Jones won it all twice now and now he wants his money and stardom. We'll move on and keep winning and guys like him and Hill will rot away with shitbag franchises in their twilight years just like the guys I mentioned above. I'm already over him and look forward to getting some picks for him.

What KC was rumored to be offering him wasn't team friendly, nor was what they were going to offer Hill. They were both top of the market contracts. With Hill, the WR exploded before he signed and he priced himself out of KC. Jones wants money closer to Donald which is too much.

KC is willing to pay their stars good contracts, they just won't overpay for them.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

All of these contracts and holdouts just make me love Kelce even more. Dude is severely underpaid but you never hear him complain about it and he's publicly said that he doesn't want to play for anyone other than the Chiefs. He knows that Mahomes/Reid are his best chance for cementing him as the best TE ever.

I assume that whatever money Kelce and Mahomes are giving up in NFL contract they are more than making up in endorsement deals. I see both of them in commercials all over the place, even when traveling out of this area.

[Mile High Mania]

Players have a short window to make as much guaranteed money as possible. Once an injury happens, the team will discard them and use every measure possible to not pay them and/or get out of the contract.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

If I'm an NFL player, especially on this team, I'm looking at what happened to Orlando Brown Jr and now Chris Jones and thinking "yeah that agent fee is worth it to not end up like those two."

Russ Okung took an L trying to go without an agent as well.

Fellas - it AIN'T a good idea.

[poolboy]

The Curse of Florio

[BossChief]

I’d really like to know exactly what Veach/Clark/Andy offered.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Players have a short window to make as much guaranteed money as possible. Once an injury happens, the team will discard them and use every measure possible to not pay them and/or get out of the contract.

Which is exactly why its idiotic to do what hes doing. He has been offered (reported) a four year deal for 2nd highest AAV for his position

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Players have a short window to make as much guaranteed money as possible. Once an injury happens, the team will discard them and use every measure possible to not pay them and/or get out of the contract.

We hadn't thought of that. Do you think that's why Chris Jones is very likely lighting money on fire in aggregate if he sits out until week 8?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Players have a short window to make as much guaranteed money as possible. Once an injury happens, the team will discard them and use every measure possible to not pay them and/or get out of the contract.

Fine - then be up front about it.

If money is your primary motivation, take the Rosenhaus/Hill approach where they knew what they wanted, they were up front about it with the organization and then they actively sought a team willing to provide the contract they wanted AND the sort of trade package that made it worth KC's while to deal him.

I don't begrudge him wanting to get $30 million. I think it's wrongheaded, but fine - shoot your shot. But if you wanted that, the way to get it was to work WITH the Chiefs and the rest of the league to try to get a trade done.

It's not THIS.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I’d really like to know exactly what Veach/Clark/Andy offered.

I'd be shocked if it's not a pretty basic step-up over Williams deal with the Jets.

Something like 4 years, $100 million with $50 million in guarantees. That's where the market went and that's a fair offer for the Chiefs to have made.

And I think Jones agents are just ignoring that fact.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Russ Okung took an L trying to go without an agent as well.

Fellas - it AIN'T a good idea.

That just leads to hurt feelings a team can tell an agent why they don't think said player is worth that and he never has to hear it...imagine the Ravens having to tell Lamar to his face we aren't giving you that guarantee because you kinda suck at passing man.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

The chiefs run into this because they win. A lot. And win big games.

Guys associate that with getting paid big money.

The Chiefs are absolutely playing this right. Chris Jones is a very good player but he's not worth $30 million, especially now that he's about to be 30.

People get pissy about this but take emotion out of it. He's had only 2 seasons with double-digit sacks and didn't have any sacks until this last season. His magnus opus was dominating a Bengals OL composed of backup players. And then the next game was invisible in the SB.

I like Chris but he has no leverage to demand such a high amount.

[DJ's left nut]

Let's say 4/$100 w/ a $28 million signing bonus:

Year 1 of the extension; age 30 season for Jones: 8 million base (guaranteed) plus $7 million signing bonus for a $15 million hit.

Year 2: $14 million base (guaranteed), $7 million bonus (age 31)
Year 3: $20 million base, $7 million bonus (age 32)
Year 4: $30 million base, $7 million bonus (age 33)

Real money: 3 years, $70 million and the Chiefs absorb a $7 million dead cap hit in 2027 instead of pay/extend a 33 yr old Chris Jones. Cap hits are $15, $21 and $27 million over the first 3 years of the extension. And of course you could, if you wanted to, goose those numbers a little by moving some money out of this year's deal into those years to reduce his 2023 $28 million cap hit.

That's eminently reasonable. It's absolutely in line with the market. It's $50 million in guarantees with $70 million reasonably likely to be paid unless Jones just collapses.

It's absolutely fair. And I'm betting that's about what KC has offered.