Chiefs The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition - Page 153

**TribalElder** · 07-22-2023, 06:08 PM

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute

Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

-King- · 08-23-2023, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Quoting this again bc I'm pretty confident that my post you're citing as a "gotcha" was from last season.

"Pay him his money" was what the Chiefs and all of us wanted. Pay him "insane Aaron Donald money" is now what Chris apparently wants.

They aren't the same.

You don't know that though.

Mecca · 08-23-2023, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

You don't know that though.

The only players the Chiefs have gotten rid of over money were guys who wanted astronomical amounts so...

Mr. Wizard · 08-23-2023, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Quinnen Williams might be available? Because otherwise I don't think a cast-off is going to help that much.

With what? We have 780,000 and thats all. Jones knows we dont have the cap to bring in a stud. Him holding out means we have to keep his money tied up. Hes got us over a barrel.

RunKC · 08-23-2023, 01:53 PM

If this is correct then it makes it even more ridiculous for Chris to hold out that long.

With 7 missed weeks, 120% would be based on $18,958,335 ($11,916,667-base salary & $7,041,668-bonus proration) for $22.75M. Chris Jones' $500k workout bonus would be added back in. Tag would be either $23.25M or $24.5M depending on whether the $1.25M sack incentive was earned. https://t.co/0X6TDRh5iU
— Joel Corry (@corryjoel) August 23, 2023

Megatron96 · 08-23-2023, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wizard

With what? We have 780,000 and thats all. Jones knows we dont have the cap to bring in a stud. Him holding out means we have to keep his money tied up. Hes got us over a barrel.

Easy, champ. It was just a joke. Besides I think they just gave Q a big raise. He’s not available.

Just have to live with it now. The margins just got a little tighter.

TLO · 08-23-2023, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump

Do you think that Chris Jones is not a man of his word?

I'm a chief for life. I will not play for another franchise
— Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) March 12, 2023

Well Chris...

Mecca · 08-23-2023, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO

Well Chris...

That kinda stuff is to make the Chiefs look bad if he leaves..

"I wanted to stay but they didn't offer me a fair amount"

-King- · 08-23-2023, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The only players the Chiefs have gotten rid of over money were guys who wanted astronomical amounts so...

And that list is:
Tyreek Hill

That's it. Unless you want to include OBJ who was in no position to ask what he was asking for.

But the truth is we don't know what Chris is demanding or what Veach has offered. Only "leaks" we've gotten is Chris's side saying they want to be the 2nd highest paid DT in the league and the Chiefs side saying they don't want to make him the highest paid DT.

What do you guys think Veach is offering AAV? Or guaranteed?

mr. tegu · 08-23-2023, 02:00 PM

I view the week 8 thing as his last attempt to get the Chiefs closer to his demands. I think it’s an empty threat and that the Chiefs certainly call the bluff and let him sit without caving on his demands.

Yeah it could potentially hurt and maybe cost them one game in the first 7 (doubtful to me given the schedule) but everyone understands fully at that point that when Jones does return he has to play basically his best ever to recover the lost money and still get a better deal than what the Chiefs might have offered.

O.city · 08-23-2023, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Yup. Those are the outliers and that's exactly why you keep him this year. He's gonna produce to get that contract from a team.

But the 3 years before this last year he had:

9 sacks, 8 TFL, 20 QB hits
7.5 sacks, 3 TFL, 28 QB hits
9 sacks, 8 TFL, 17 QB hits

This is what Chris is going to be fellas. Still "good" but not like last year. That's not worth a $30 million anchor for the next 4-5 years.

This is the reality

Sure.

That’s also from a DT. Not a DE.

It also happened when he had other players around him. Which we currently do.

DJ's left nut · 08-23-2023, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He's a very good player that plays like an elite player when it's contract time.

If he knows this is the last time he gets paid what keeps him reaching into the elite engine? What even keeps him very good when his talent starts to fade?

Eh, there's some revisionist history here.

I mean people questioned if he'd play hard after he got paid the first time and I think he's definitely played hard, even if his production has gone up and down a bit. His developments in the run game are the best evidence of that.

And people questioned if he'd still handle the rigors of the contact getting moved to the DT position out of the 3-4 and he handled that extremely well. He's done anything he's been asked and done it without complaint and, IMO, to the best of his ability.

I'm not gonna shit on the man's effort at all. He's done nothing but grow and mature in his time in KC and he's demonstrated his commitment to the team to a substantial degree.

Mecca · 08-23-2023, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Eh, there's some revisionist history here.

I mean people questioned if he'd play hard after he got paid the first time and I think he's definitely played hard, even if his production has gone up and down a bit. His developments in the run game are the best evidence of that.

And people questioned if he'd still handle the rigors of the contact getting moved to the DT position out of the 3-4 and he handled that extremely well. He's done anything he's been asked and done it without complaint and, IMO, to the best of his ability.

I'm not gonna shit on the man's effort at all. He's done nothing but grow and mature in his time in KC and he's demonstrated his commitment to the team to a substantial degree.

Yea I don't disagree but do you believe he is the outlier? Very few DT's continue to be productive into their 30s.

Balto · 08-23-2023, 02:05 PM

Looking at our roster, if Veach needs to get a DT to fill in for Jones he could always trade for one.

Players that could be trade options:
MVS: Open up $7M
Sneed: Open up $2.743M
Danna: Open up $2.743M if traded or cut
CEH: Open up $2.085M
Wanogho: Open up $1.465M if traded and $1.115M if cut

These are the only realistic options and even then I'd take out Sneed and Danna because why weaken the D even more. So say Veach/Reid have been playing CEH with the thought of upping his value in a trade before the season starts that would open up another $2M and could go sign Dunlap or whatever.

I'll get butchered for this buuuuut MVS could be the play here. You open up $7M by trading him and maybe a team is dying for a deep threat like him. Maybe said team has a DT they'd part with to get MVS. Reid can have Richie, Toney or whoever take those snaps and be just fine. Just matters what team has a need and a DT they will part with that doesn't go over MVS's $7M cap hit?

**ptlyon** · 08-23-2023, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO

Well Chris...

Just won't play apparently

BWillie · 08-23-2023, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

If this is correct then it makes it even more ridiculous for Chris to hold out that long.

With 7 missed weeks, 120% would be based on $18,958,335 ($11,916,667-base salary & $7,041,668-bonus proration) for $22.75M. Chris Jones' $500k workout bonus would be added back in. Tag would be either $23.25M or $24.5M depending on whether the $1.25M sack incentive was earned. https://t.co/0X6TDRh5iU
— Joel Corry (@corryjoel) August 23, 2023

Please please please sit out Chris Jones! That would really help the Chiefs.

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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1390389	If this is correct then it makes it even more ridiculous for Chris to hold out that long. With 7 missed weeks, 120% would be based on $18,958,335 ($11,916,667-base salary & $7,041,668-bonus proration) for $22.75M. Chris Jones' $500k workout bonus would be added back in. Tag would be either $23.25M or $24.5M depending on whether the $1.25M sack incentive was earned. https://t.co/0X6TDRh5iU — Joel Corry (@corryjoel) August 23, 2023 __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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mr. tegu Forever Royal Join Date: Mar 2012 Casino cash: $-1648700	I view the week 8 thing as his last attempt to get the Chiefs closer to his demands. I think it’s an empty threat and that the Chiefs certainly call the bluff and let him sit without caving on his demands. Yeah it could potentially hurt and maybe cost them one game in the first 7 (doubtful to me given the schedule) but everyone understands fully at that point that when Jones does return he has to play basically his best ever to recover the lost money and still get a better deal than what the Chiefs might have offered.
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Balto Veteran Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $62198	Looking at our roster, if Veach needs to get a DT to fill in for Jones he could always trade for one. Players that could be trade options: MVS: Open up $7M Sneed: Open up $2.743M Danna: Open up $2.743M if traded or cut CEH: Open up $2.085M Wanogho: Open up $1.465M if traded and $1.115M if cut These are the only realistic options and even then I'd take out Sneed and Danna because why weaken the D even more. So say Veach/Reid have been playing CEH with the thought of upping his value in a trade before the season starts that would open up another $2M and could go sign Dunlap or whatever. I'll get butchered for this buuuuut MVS could be the play here. You open up $7M by trading him and maybe a team is dying for a deep threat like him. Maybe said team has a DT they'd part with to get MVS. Reid can have Richie, Toney or whoever take those snaps and be just fine. Just matters what team has a need and a DT they will part with that doesn't go over MVS's $7M cap hit?
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