Chiefs The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition - Page 147

**TribalElder** · 07-22-2023, 06:08 PM

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute

Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

AdolfOliverBush · 08-23-2023, 10:29 AM

Goddamn I hate drama queens.

O.city · 08-23-2023, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Andy doesn’t get too fired up often. But if there is one thing that pisses him off, it is hold outs. Even for a day in TC

It’s pretty clear they are extremely far off, and Veach isn’t going to budge. It’s pretty clear the philosophy going forward is that as long as Mahomes is upright we have a chance. And we are going to invest heavily in the offensive line. Which is going to leave less money to make us a more complete team.

It’s never worked before for other teams with elite qbs.

They can’t do it alone

Jerm · 08-23-2023, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They can have a successful season without jones.

They’d have what DJ calls a punchers chance to make some playoff noise but losing your best defender in this situation…..yeah they ain’t what they were

The Chiefs have Mahomes/Kelce/Reid, the best O-line Mahomes has ever had, I’d argue the most complete WR room he’s ever had, and talented players all over the defense with or without Jones….

“Punchers chance” is absurd….

Sassy Squatch · 08-23-2023, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The shit thing is that they traded Tyreek to do this and now this happens.

Traded the wrong guy

No they didn't. They were perfectly content to sign Hill until the Adams deal reset the market and they ended up too far apart to compromise.

AdolfOliverBush · 08-23-2023, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They can have a successful season without jones.

They’d have what DJ calls a punchers chance to make some playoff noise but losing your best defender in this situation…..yeah they ain’t what they were

Jones' production in a non-contract year is not irreplaceable. Pressure on the QB will have to be generated in other ways, but this isn't season-ruining.

-King- · 08-23-2023, 10:34 AM

This is another reason that Frank Clark contract was the stupidest decision in Veach's time here. Imagine if we didn't have $7.5mil being used up in cap space this year for a player that's on the Broncos. We could have used that to split the difference on whatever Chris is asking or if not that, used it on a player that can offset him potentially not being with the team during his hold out.

smithandrew051 · 08-23-2023, 10:34 AM

I hope I’m wrong, but let’s not expect too much for trade comp if/when that happens.

He’s a DT approaching 30 and wants big (ridiculous) money. Don’t expect a ton in return for that.

tredadda · 08-23-2023, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

came here to post that same thing

It's over

CJ ****ed this up so bad I feel awful for him

Not at all. Jones can still sign for what Veach is offering and all will be good. It's only over if Jones refuses to budge on his demands.

tredadda · 08-23-2023, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They can have a successful season without jones.

They’d have what DJ calls a punchers chance to make some playoff noise but losing your best defender in this situation…..yeah they ain’t what they were

What if Jones was signed long term and suffered a season ending injury? They would still have to overcome that.

TwistedChief · 08-23-2023, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven

If losing Chris Jones means we can't win the SB this year, then we have a lot bigger problems than Chris Jones. Look I get it, it would suck if he's not here, but I'm really coming around to the idea of perspective. No one guy (save Mahomes) is worth that much to a team all by himself. If Jones were out on injury, I'd still believe we could win without him. It can't be all about one guy on the interior of the defensive line being the lynch pin to a successful season.

Perspective man. I hope he comes back, but I'm not gonna say it's all over without him. By a long shot.

Of course they are. Chris Jones was a top-3 defensive player in the league last year. He made everyone else on that DL better than they’d almost certainly be in isolation. He absolutely was crucial in a number of games and a number of situations for us.

To say no one guy is worth that much to a team? Of course they can be. We won a SB by the slimmest of margins. We got the 1 seed via the slimmest of margins. He anchored our defense.

I’m not saying there’s no world where we win a SB without Chris Jones this year, but our odds go down meaningfully. We weren’t that far ahead of the pack that we can afford to lose our best defensive player without the ability to suitably replace him and expect to be the same.

tredadda · 08-23-2023, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

This is another reason that Frank Clark contract was the stupidest decision in Veach's time here. Imagine if we didn't have $7.5mil being used up in cap space this year for a player that's on the Broncos. We could have used that to split the difference on whatever Chris is asking or if not that, used it on a player that can offset him potentially not being with the team during his hold out.

I highly doubt that makes a difference regarding Jones' contract. What it most likely revolves around is guaranteed money and outs in the contract. If I'm Veach I have a huge contract on paper with outs in years 3-5 (or whatever the length would be). If I am Jones, I know this and want a ton guaranteed or a contract that makes him harder to cut as he ages. The Clark money is irrelevant to Jones' contract this year.

Mecca · 08-23-2023, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

This may have been discussed already in this megathread, but I'm not digging for it. It's interesting to see that the Browns have suddenly cleared a bunch of cap space. They need help on the DLine. I wonder if they're trying to swing a trade for Jones? I know that Veach says that he's not being traded. But we've heard that plenty only to see the player traded soon after

Browns have been ahead of the curve on this for years.
— Marcus Whitman (@TFG_Football) August 21, 2023

The Browns are clearing space to alter Garretts number each year, it's actually brilliant.

-King- · 08-23-2023, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

I highly doubt that makes a difference regarding Jones' contract. What it most likely revolves around is guaranteed money and outs in the contract. If I'm Veach I have a huge contract on paper with outs in years 3-5 (or whatever the length would be). If I am Jones, I know this and want a ton guaranteed or a contract that makes him harder to cut as he ages. The Clark money is irrelevant to Jones' contract this year.

That's additional money that can be used to sweeten up that guarantee...

-King- · 08-23-2023, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Browns have been ahead of the curve on this for years.
— Marcus Whitman (@TFG_Football) August 21, 2023

The Browns are clearing space to alter Garretts number each year, it's actually brilliant.

Isn't that what Mahomes deal was supposed to help us do?

tredadda · 08-23-2023, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

That's additional money that can be used to sweeten up that guarantee...

I doubt a one time $7.5 million is all that separates them. I would bet it's structure as much if not more than straight numbers.

View Poll Results: How will the Chris Jones deal play out?
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