The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition

[TribalElder]

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute



Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

[kcgreene]

Originally Posted by O.city

He's not resetting the market though.

You're about to have multiple 30 million dollar per year defensive players.

He is, in essence, resetting the market.

Christian Kirk was not the highest paid WR. However, his contract reset the market.

Paying CJ95 would reset the market, a non-generational talent defensive player getting 30M a year.

[M_M]

Week 8 per X (FKA twitter)?

Real or a bluff?

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by O.city

He's not resetting the market though.

You're about to have multiple 30 million dollar per year defensive players.

For consistent DPOY talent that's young. Jones is going to be in his 30s for the entirety of any extension and that's when he's going to start declining, even if it is slowly. That's not worth resetting the market by 5+ million.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, trading him now would require a trade partner who can take the cap hit and send a starter-caliber DT back for him. Pretty slim list there.

Basically, you’d need a front office to do something stupid, too.

Picks plus a player and then pay the guy, too? Hard to see someone being that silly.

Presumptively any team that trades for him does it with a new contract and can take on the deal pretty easily.

I'd think $10 million or better in space would be enough to get him a new deal and get him under it.

I mean lets say you're the Jags and you think you can win now with a QB still on a rookie contract. And you've got a guy who would WRECK as a 3-tech in that 3-5 system (and has done so, in fact).

And you have, say, DaVon Hamilton who obviously isn't Chris Jones or anything resembling him, but he's starting caliber. Though he did just have a back issue pop up on him so maybe you're looking at Fatukasi or Roy Roberston-Harris. Again - neither of them are exceptional but they can be short term contributors.


Now I'm not saying it's an obvious yes, but you offer them Jones for Hamilton (physical pending) and a 1st and 3rd - maaaaaybe?

It's not ideal by any means - I REALLY wouldn't want to be playing him in the post-season. But it's also not the only option out there. There are options if we had to go that route. Jones is 100% scheme versatile. You can send him to a 3-4 team or even a 4-3 team looking for a DE (where he was actually quite good last season when used out there).

Any team could use him and many teams could afford him.

But it's obviously a last resort scenario.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch

For consistent DPOY talent that's young. Jones is going to be in his 30s for the entirety of any extension and that's when he's going to start declining, even if it is slowly. That's not worth resetting the market by 5+ million.

That's fine. I don't disagree.

We need to remember this though when we start discussing extensions for an off ball linebacker and a C though.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Presumptively any team that trades for him does it with a new contract and can take on the deal pretty easily.

I'd think $10 million or better in space would be enough to get him a new deal and get him under it.

I mean lets say you're the Jags and you think you can win now with a QB still on a rookie contract. And you've got a guy who would WRECK as a 3-tech in that 3-5 system (and has done so, in fact).

And you have, say, DaVon Hamilton who obviously isn't Chris Jones or anything resembling him, but he's starting caliber. Though he did just have a back issue pop up on him so maybe you're looking at Fatukasi or Roy Roberston-Harris. Again - neither of them are exceptional but they can be short term contributors.


Now I'm not saying it's an obvious yes, but you offer them Jones for Hamilton (physical pending) and a 1st and 3rd - maaaaaybe?

It's not ideal by any means - I REALLY wouldn't want to be playing him in the post-season. But it's also not the only option out there. There are options if we had to go that route. Jones is 100% scheme versatile. You can send him to a 3-4 team or even a 4-3 team looking for a DE (where he was actually quite good last season when used out there).

Any team could use him and many teams could afford him.

But it's obviously a last resort scenario.

I'm just not doing it now. The die here is cast. You'd also have a DL that's never played here, coming in with no time here or camp.

You've built your DL around the guy. Now you trade him, we don't have a defense that can hold up to win a SB.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, trading him now would require a trade partner who can take the cap hit and send a starter-caliber DT back for him. Pretty slim list there.

Basically, you’d need a front office to do something stupid, too.

Picks plus a player and then pay the guy, too? Hard to see someone being that silly.

Especially Chicago with a GM groomed under Veach despite them being the popular choice.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Because we still want to win a SB this year and Mike Danna and Keondre Coburn probably aren't getting that done on the DL.

So pay him $30 million?

Oh wait - you said don't do that.

Pay him $25 million?

Oh wait - he said HE won't do that.

So...we gonna hope he's got a horse named Khartoum he intends to send to Stud? Gonna go have Luca tell him his his signature or his brains go on the contract?

You're arguing both sides here. If he won't sign a reasonable deal, he won't sign a reasonable deal. Nobody's saying "**** that guy - dump him". We're saying that if he won't sign AND he won't play, then mitigation is the order of the day.

I mean...unless you wanna start putting horse heads in people's beds. And frankly I'm not gonna dismiss that as an option at this point.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm just not doing it now. The die here is cast. You'd also have a DL that's never played here, coming in with no time here or camp.

You've built your DL around the guy. Now you trade him, we don't have a defense that can hold up to win a SB.

Okay - I don't disagree. Call his bluff.

Because I do think he's full of shit.

Buuuuuut - what if he's not? I think those are the scenarios we're playing through at this point. Hold him to week 8, let him reduce his PYS to a point where you can tag/trade him next year and then hope he goes scorched earth in the post-season?

[Sassy Squatch]

Let him report when he wants to and play it out. About the only option at this point. I'm assuming Veach has already put forth his best and final offer and if Jones wants to conduct business this way, so be it.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So pay him $30 million?

Oh wait - you said don't do that.

Pay him $25 million?

Oh wait - he said HE won't do that.

So...we gonna hope he's got a horse named Khartoum he intends to send to Stud? Gonna go have Luca tell him his his signature or his brains go on the contract?

You're arguing both sides here. If he won't sign a reasonable deal, he won't sign a reasonable deal. Nobody's saying "**** that guy - dump him". We're saying that if he won't sign AND he won't play, then mitigation is the order of the day.

I mean...unless you wanna start putting horse heads in people's beds. And frankly I'm not gonna dismiss that as an option at this point.

No, I'd play out the string and let him walk at this point.

And realize Veach and company ****ed up here by waiting to do the deal and not trading him earlier. Maybe they got played and didn't really have an idea what was coming, but that's why you get paid the big bucks to figure this out. You want props for the Tyreek thing, well, you should have had this figured out.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Okay - I don't disagree. Call his bluff.

Because I do think he's full of shit.

Buuuuuut - what if he's not? I think those are the scenarios we're playing through at this point. Hold him to week 8, let him reduce his PYS to a point where you can tag/trade him next year and then hope he goes scorched earth in the post-season?

Honestly?

I'd call Pat and Trav and tell them "Hey, you know your legacy and such and wanting to go back to back? Yeah, here's what we've offered, here's the deal".

I can't imagine they're all too excited about the situation.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch

Let him report when he wants to and play it out. About the only option at this point. I'm assuming Veach has already put forth his best and final offer and if Jones wants to conduct business this way, so be it.

This is about the only play I see.

Sure, if someone wants to offer 2 1's...**** I'd take that and tell my fanbase "we've won 2 SB's in 4 years, we need a little rope here this caught us offguard".

[O.city]

I'd probably opt more towards paying him, hoping I get a bit lucky and he plays well and I end up winning another SB or two.

[Sassy Squatch]

What's with the defeatist bullshit. We were an offsides away from going to a Super Bowl with a FAR worse defense even with Jones in the fold.