The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition

[TribalElder]

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute



Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

[Balto]

Originally Posted by tredadda

But that's different or something. Only one side is obligated to honor their end of the contract.

100% wrong

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

You can't compromise a team for one DT who is about to turn 30. The contract has to have a safety valve to protect the cap.

Originally Posted by ghak99

Not giving the team an out on the 4th year is a pretty big deal. ...assuming that's what's even actually happening.

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

No, they're offering what he wants. However, the Chiefs want a lower gurwnteed number in case his production drops off due to his age. Jones wants that security.

This may be the hold up. Chiefs want to be covered in case a 34 year old DT falls off in their production. He wants guarantees etc.

But, none of us knows for sure what's the hold up.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Balto

100% wrong

Is it? And how so? Players under contract are cut all the time. No one has issues when a team does it, but when players want protections they are looked on poorly. This is why so many players push for the guaranteed money. Teams can still cut them, they are still on the hook for the guaranteed money, not the length of the contract.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Balto

What are guys even talking about????

It’s IN THE CONTRACT he signs that a team can cut him at any time and only pay the guaranteed money…….it’s written IN THE CONTRACT.

How are teams not honoring the contracts? Haha

Yeah….and I don’t believe there’s anything in there saying he can’t do what he’s doing? No?

[Balto]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Is it? And how so? Players under contract are cut all the time. No one has issues when a team does it, but when players want protections they are looked on poorly. This is why so many players push for the guaranteed money. Teams can still cut them, they are still on the hook for the guaranteed money, not the length of the contract.

Think you answered your own question.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Is it? And how so? Players under contract are cut all the time. No one has issues when a team does it, but when players want protections they are looked on poorly. This is why so many players push for the guaranteed money. Teams can still cut them, they are still on the hook for the guaranteed money, not the length of the contract.

I think he was taking your post literally, of all the ones to quote, heh.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by O.city

I believe Veach said that last week, but I may have misheard.

I do agree that having the rookie deals is great, but having an elite player like Tyreek would also be nice if you could have traded Jones instead.

I feel like it was Reek who was the one that said he’d never play for Bienemy again. He wasn’t coming back with EB still here.

[Balto]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah….and I don’t believe there’s anything in there saying he can’t do what he’s doing? No?

Fines and if a player doesn’t show for a certain amount of the season the team still keeps that year.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This may be the hold up. Chiefs want to be covered in case a 34 year old DT falls off in their production.

But, none of us knows for sure what's the hold up.

That seems to make the most sense. From KC's perspective a backloaded contract with outs makes sense, but from Jones' perspective upfront and guaranteed money are probably the most important.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by tredadda

But that's different or something. Only one side is obligated to honor their end of the contract.

Yeah, I know what you’re saying, but it’s not actually correct. The contract spells out who has what rights and options. There’s nothing in the contract stipulating that Jones can walk away after 3 years instead of 4 and sign with another team. Whereas because of guaranteed money and what-not there are always outs for teams which means they don’t necessarily have to pay the full value of the contract. But all of that is understood on day one and is part of the overall negotiation.

If you want pick a bone with something, complain about the franchise tag. But even with that, the players agreed to it in exchange for other benefits elsewhere.

Jones signed a deal with eyes wide open. I’m only upset if he misses games, but I expect he’ll report once they leave St Joe’s in any case.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I think he was taking your post literally, of all the ones to quote, heh.

I guess. Either way the whole concept that only players have to honor their contracts, but not the teams makes no sense to me.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Yeah, I know what you’re saying, but it’s not actually correct. The contract spells out who has what rights and options. There’s nothing in the contract stipulating that Jones can walk away after 3 years instead of 4 and sign with another team. Whereas because of guaranteed money and what-not there are always outs for teams which means they don’t necessarily have to pay the full value of the contract. But all of that is understood on day one and is part of the overall negotiation.

If you want pick a bone with something, complain about the franchise tag. But even with that, the players agreed to it in exchange for other benefits elsewhere.

Jones signed a deal with eyes wide open. I’m only upset if he misses games, but I expect he’ll report once they leave St Joe’s in any case.

^this^ I thought he would report before last Sunday's game, but I knew the daily fines can't be waived, but didn't realize preseason game checks being withheld for a holdout is optional. He will be back when shortly after the Chiefs leave St. Joes...

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by tredadda

That seems to make the most sense. From KC's perspective a backloaded contract with outs makes sense, but from Jones' perspective upfront and guaranteed money are probably the most important.

False narrative. Teams do honor contracts. The contract and negotiated league rules stipulate all that goes on in a contract and it enforcement. Who can be cut, when they can become a free agent, who can be fined for holding out, and franchise tag rules. Jones signed his current deal know exactly what the situation would be this year, as do all players.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Yeah, I know what you’re saying, but it’s not actually correct. The contract spells out who has what rights and options. There’s nothing in the contract stipulating that Jones can walk away after 3 years instead of 4 and sign with another team. Whereas because of guaranteed money and what-not there are always outs for teams which means they don’t necessarily have to pay the full value of the contract. But all of that is understood on day one and is part of the overall negotiation.

If you want pick a bone with something, complain about the franchise tag. But even with that, the players agreed to it in exchange for other benefits elsewhere.

Jones signed a deal with eyes wide open. I’m only upset if he misses games, but I expect he’ll report once they leave St Joe’s in any case.

This I agree with. I am also ok with Jones being fined for not being there in that respect. I understand the outs built into a contract, it's more the opinions in the court of public opinion that teams cuts a player=Ok. Player holds out for whatever reason=player bad, honor contract.

[Red Dawg]

Must be nice to be able to sign a contract and then out right not honor it fully because I don't feel like it.