Chiefs The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition - Page 66

**TribalElder** · 07-22-2023, 06:08 PM

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute

Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

Mecca · 08-09-2023, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

You're saying that losing Jones doesn't change our Superbowl odds and that if he got injured, we would be able to fundamentally change the defense on the fly and still win.

How do you do that if it isn't easy to replace his production and what he brings to the team?

Well the hope is you can tag and trade him after the year so you can use FA and the draft to get younger and replace some of that production.

TwistedChief · 08-09-2023, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

man, I don't know...

Because that's what the Jets did. In fact, their odds went from +1600 in june to +1700 now.

Are you seriously this dense?

Their SB odds didn’t change when they signed a guy to a long-term deal who was already expected to be on their team that year.

Are you on drugs or something with these takes?

Can the Chiefs win a SB without Chris Jones because they have Mahomes? Yes.

Is it as easy to just say we’ll spend the money elsewhere and replace Jones and have the same odds of winning the SB? No. Because he’s a known entity who generates elite production. Yeah, maybe Veach can replace him with youth and spend the money elsewhere and we wind up a better holistic team. Or, maybe they use the CJ money to sign someone like Frank Clark who dramatically underperforms his contract and that sets us back a few years.

No one is saying we’re doomed if we lose Chris Jones. But if they were forced to trade him right now to the Bears for picks in next year’s draft, yeah, I think it’s safe to say our SB odds would fall quite a bit.

mr. tegu · 08-09-2023, 10:23 AM

We need Jones to go 20-0. Good thing he will be here this year regardless of a new deal.

Mecca · 08-09-2023, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Are you seriously this dense?

Their SB odds didn’t change when they signed a guy to a long-term deal who was already expected to be on their team that year.

Are you on drugs or something with these takes?

Can the Chiefs win a SB without Chris Jones because they have Mahomes? Yes.

Is it as easy to just say we’ll spend the money elsewhere and replace Jones and have the same odds of winning the SB? No. Because he’s a known entity who generates elite production. Yeah, maybe Veach can replace him with youth and spend the money elsewhere and we wind up a better holistic team. Or, maybe they use the CJ money to sign someone like Frank Clark who dramatically underperforms his contract and that sets us back a few years.

No one is saying we’re doomed if we lose Chris Jones. But if they were forced to trade him right now to the Bears for picks in next year’s draft, yeah, I think it’s safe to say our SB odds would fall quite a bit.

He wouldn't be traded now, it'd be after the year.

**BossChief** · 08-09-2023, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Are you willing to lose Creed and Bolton to pay Jones his price? I wouldn't and neither will veach

Actually, I would…and I’m a huge fan of both Creed and Bolton.

saphojunkie · 08-09-2023, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Are you seriously this dense?

Their SB odds didn’t change when they signed a guy to a long-term deal who was already expected to be on their team that year.

Are you on drugs or something with these takes?

Can the Chiefs win a SB without Chris Jones because they have Mahomes? Yes.

Is it as easy to just say we’ll spend the money elsewhere and replace Jones and have the same odds of winning the SB? No. Because he’s a known entity who generates elite production. Yeah, maybe Veach can replace him with youth and spend the money elsewhere and we wind up a better holistic team. Or, maybe they use the CJ money to sign someone like Frank Clark who dramatically underperforms his contract and that sets us back a few years.

No one is saying we’re doomed if we lose Chris Jones. But if they were forced to trade him right now to the Bears for picks in next year’s draft, yeah, I think it’s safe to say our SB odds would fall quite a bit.

but that's exactly what O City is saying, and why I called him out. That's the ONLY thing I'm debating.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 08-09-2023, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

You don't think Chris Jones has at least 3 elite/great years left in him?

It's a coinflip... I am fine paying him $2 million more per than the 3rd highest paid DT, but paying him Aaron Donald $ is what bad franchises do...

RunKC · 08-09-2023, 10:31 AM

The Bengals don't have a single all-pro on their defense and yet there they are still one of the best. I'd imagine losing Chris would put us in a similar situation.

The Chiefs defense has solid talent everywhere and finally at DL.

For years the Chiefs put limited talent next to Chris. Frank Clark apparently sucks, Alex Okafor wasn't good, Melvin Ingram and Terrell Suggs were old. Hell Kpass and Speaks didn't cut it all all. I like Mike Danna but he is a great off the bench role player but not a true starter.

The Chiefs didn't truly invest in the DL until recently. That's a big reason why it was "Chris Jones is all we have!"....well he kinda was.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 08-09-2023, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Are you seriously this dense?

Their SB odds didn’t change when they signed a guy to a long-term deal who was already expected to be on their team that year.

Are you on drugs or something with these takes?

Can the Chiefs win a SB without Chris Jones because they have Mahomes? Yes.

Is it as easy to just say we’ll spend the money elsewhere and replace Jones and have the same odds of winning the SB? No. Because he’s a known entity who generates elite production. Yeah, maybe Veach can replace him with youth and spend the money elsewhere and we wind up a better holistic team. Or, maybe they use the CJ money to sign someone like Frank Clark who dramatically underperforms his contract and that sets us back a few years.

No one is saying we’re doomed if we lose Chris Jones. But if they were forced to trade him right now to the Bears for picks in next year’s draft, yeah, I think it’s safe to say our SB odds would fall quite a bit.

We won't be forced to do anything with Jones. We lose him as a great play if he doesn't report, but he loses way more financially. This is all moot as he will sign or report by Sunday...

TwistedChief · 08-09-2023, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He wouldn't be traded now, it'd be after the year.

Yes, I get that. I'm just giving you an extreme situation.

No one is going to assume that the Chiefs are going to be as good next year on defense if they lose Chris Jones. Might it make them a better team over the next several years as with the Tyreek trade? Sure.

I'm only arguing the notion that our SB odds would be unchanged. CJ is an elite talent. I have no problem paying the guy 25-27mm a year because I think that's the right vicinity for him. If he's trying to squeeze 29-30mm, then I can respect Veach's deciding to go in a different direction.

**BossChief** · 08-09-2023, 10:36 AM

Jones will sign a deal in the range between Donald and the second highest paid DT. That’s what he’s said all along. These things take time and this is all posturing. He’s not going to sit out regular season games and I couldn’t care less about him being at camp or playing in the PS.

That result benefits both sides.

ntexascardfan · 08-09-2023, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Jones will sign a deal in the range between Donald and the second highest paid DT. That’s what he’s said all along. These things take time and this is all posturing. He’s not going to sit out regular season games and I couldn’t care less about him being at camp or playing in the PS.

That result benefits both sides.

That's all fine as long as he's keeping his body conditioned. Otherwise, he's probably increasing his exposure to injury risk.

philfree · 08-09-2023, 10:38 AM

To much money on the line for CJ to hold out all season so he'll play on his current deal if they can't come to an agreement on a new contract. In one way that could work to our advantage. CJ will essentially be playing in a contract year looking to cash in the following season. That should have him motivated and a little peeved where he destroys worlds.

**BossChief** · 08-09-2023, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ntexascardfan

That's all fine as long as he's keeping his body conditioned. Otherwise, he's probably increasing his exposure to injury risk.

Obviously the guy is staying in top top shape. He’s trying to get a mega deal and his physical shape hasn’t ever been a problem.

Dudes a game wrecker that will be a Chief for life.

Wallcrawler · 08-09-2023, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

No one is saying we’re doomed if we lose Chris Jones. But if they were forced to trade him right now to the Bears for picks in next year’s draft, yeah, I think it’s safe to say our SB odds would fall quite a bit.

There is a definite "Chris Jones is as important to the team as Patrick Mahomes is" crowd.

It's laughably stupid, but it is out there being said. So that camp believes that we wouldn't have won the Superbowl without Chris last year as the defense surrendered 35 points and registered one sack by the guy who plays for the Saints now, and go on to say that we cannot win the superbowl this year or any other year without Jones, despite having an undefeated record in games he has missed, including the 24-0 playoff comeback against Houston the CJ95 enjoyed in his street clothes.

Chris, like Tyreek before him, is a luxury we simply cant pay the asking price on. The sky was falling when Hill left and in a rebuild year we won it all.

You'll see a similar result if and when Jones is moved as well.

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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1390389	The Bengals don't have a single all-pro on their defense and yet there they are still one of the best. I'd imagine losing Chris would put us in a similar situation. The Chiefs defense has solid talent everywhere and finally at DL. For years the Chiefs put limited talent next to Chris. Frank Clark apparently sucks, Alex Okafor wasn't good, Melvin Ingram and Terrell Suggs were old. Hell Kpass and Speaks didn't cut it all all. I like Mike Danna but he is a great off the bench role player but not a true starter. The Chiefs didn't truly invest in the DL until recently. That's a big reason why it was "Chris Jones is all we have!"....well he kinda was. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1525912	Jones will sign a deal in the range between Donald and the second highest paid DT. That’s what he’s said all along. These things take time and this is all posturing. He’s not going to sit out regular season games and I couldn’t care less about him being at camp or playing in the PS. That result benefits both sides. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $-1963802	To much money on the line for CJ to hold out all season so he'll play on his current deal if they can't come to an agreement on a new contract. In one way that could work to our advantage. CJ will essentially be playing in a contract year looking to cash in the following season. That should have him motivated and a little peeved where he destroys worlds. __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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