Chiefs The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition - Page 34

**TribalElder** · 07-22-2023, 06:08 PM

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute

Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

kcgreene · 08-01-2023, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I think he meant Derrick Thomas.

He said last year.. I'm goin with troll.

That being said, your reply here legit had me

O.city · 08-01-2023, 07:54 AM

I would think he should slot in between Donald and the 3rd guy. I don't think they'll get to 30 mil so in the end, it's probably a play out the year and let him walk kinda thing.

O.city · 08-01-2023, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kcgreene

He said last year.. I'm goin with troll.

That being said, your reply here legit had me

I was reading it as Chris Jones postseason last year was better than any postseason Derrick ever had.

kcgreene · 08-01-2023, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I would think he should slot in between Donald and the 3rd guy. I don't think they'll get to 30 mil so in the end, it's probably a play out the year and let him walk kinda thing.

I would agree with that in terms of DT yeah. BUT, he's wanting to be the 2nd highest paid defensive player if he wants 30M AAV, and in no world do I think Chris Jones is the 2nd best defensive player in the NFL.

O.city · 08-01-2023, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by kcgreene

I would agree with that in terms of DT yeah. BUT, he's wanting to be the 2nd highest paid defensive player if he wants 30M AAV, and in no world do I think Chris Jones is the 2nd best defensive player in the NFL.

I'd think based on positional importance and value, yeah he could probably make the argument that he's a top 5 defensive player in the league at the moment.

And like it or not, there's gonna be a few 30 million dollar defensive players here quickly.

kcgreene · 08-01-2023, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I was reading it as Chris Jones postseason last year was better than any postseason Derrick ever had.

Oh I see that now. Damn DT = Derrick Thomas or Defensive Tackle. Damn my brain.

I'd still disagree with that. He had the same amount of sacks in less games in 1991, the problem is we don't have all the data. Tackles weren't logged until 1994 if my memory serves correct. That being said, I'd have to actually go back and watch those games again with an analytical mind to see who works the eye test better in the playoffs, but I feel comfortable saying D.Thomas.

kcgreene · 08-01-2023, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I'd think based on positional importance and value, yeah he could probably make the argument that he's a top 5 defensive player in the league at the moment.

And like it or not, there's gonna be a few 30 million dollar defensive players here quickly.

I still think he's outside of the Top 5 even with positional value. Top 10 Definitely though.

And yeah, there will be, but that doesn't mean we need to overpay right now IMO

O.city · 08-01-2023, 08:05 AM

I don't really know that I can name 5 better defensive players currently.....

O.city · 08-01-2023, 08:06 AM

I think Bosa and Parsons have an argument. I can't put Watt or Garrett there above him yet.

RunKC · 08-01-2023, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I would think he should slot in between Donald and the 3rd guy. I don't think they'll get to 30 mil so in the end, it's probably a play out the year and let him walk kinda thing.

Unfortunately this might be the best way to keep the team competitive moving forward. I keep being reminded of the Patriots trading Richard Seymour. At the time he was a 3X 1st team all pro, 1 time 2nd team all pro and 5 time pro bowler. In a league that loved 3-4 DL, he was a hell of a commodity.

Bill traded him to Oakland and used the first rd pick to get Nate Solder for 7 years, a key part of that dynasty.

I don't like losing Chris, but Veach and staff have been so good. No denying that last years draft class was maybe the best in Chiefs history.

O.city · 08-01-2023, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Unfortunately this might be the best way to keep the team competitive moving forward. I keep being reminded of the Patriots trading Richard Seymour. At the time he was a 3X 1st team all pro, 1 time 2nd team all pro and 5 time pro bowler. In a league that loved 3-4 DL, he was a hell of a commodity.

Bill traded him to Oakland and used the first rd pick to get Nate Solder for 7 years, a key part of that dynasty.

I don't like losing Chris, but Veach and staff have been so good. No denying that last years draft class was maybe the best in Chiefs history.

It definitely was a great one.

The issue I have with that is that at some point....you are gonna need some of these positions that are just hard to find later in the draft.

We need a long term solution at LT. I still contend that if this is the way this was gonna play out, the time to have trade Jones was before this previous draft.

Wallcrawler · 08-01-2023, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kcgreene

This has to be trolling... right? I'm unsure anymore with some of the takes I see on here.... I mean, Donald was better literally the year before in the playoffs... not to mention Joe Greene, Warren Sapp, Alan Page, and well... countless more players who had phenomenal postseasons and phenomenal careers.

Statistically speaking, no.

Derrick Thomas played in 10 postseason games, but failed to log a single tackle in any of those contests.

Not really hard to grasp though, play against an anemic Marty offense, get the lead, and run the football to the opposite side of where Thomas is lined up.

Hell I don't even think DT played in the second half of his AFCCG because we were so far behind and they were feeding Thurman Thomas every series in that 30-13 loss.

So there's 2 sides of the fence here.

Goose egg on the stat sheet crowd, and the "hidden stats" crowd.

But generally, no. DT was not the same force in the post season that he was in regular season, at least on the stat sheet.

kcgreene · 08-01-2023, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I think Bosa and Parsons have an argument. I can't put Watt or Garrett there above him yet.

Donald (one injury year does not mean he's out yet, is only 1 year removed from a double digits sack season and has many more of them than CJ95), Bosa, Parsons, Garrett, and Watt are definitely above him IMO.

I'd have to sit down with a list if I really wanted to rank this out. But my guess is he'd probably end up in the 7 to 8 range if I sat down to make an honest rankings.

O.city · 08-01-2023, 08:18 AM

The edge rushers statistically have the edge sack wise, but I think Jones is more of a force overall in his impact and I think Wallcrawler has made the point with the DT in the playoffs thing. It's a bit easier to plan around a DE than a dominant DT.

**wazu** · 08-01-2023, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Statistically speaking, no.

Derrick Thomas played in 10 postseason games, but failed to log a single tackle in any of those contests.

Not really hard to grasp though, play against an anemic Marty offense, get the lead, and run the football to the opposite side of where Thomas is lined up.

Hell I don't even think DT played in the second half of his AFCCG because we were so far behind and they were feeding Thurman Thomas every series in that 30-13 loss.

So there's 2 sides of the fence here.

Goose egg on the stat sheet crowd, and the "hidden stats" crowd.

But generally, no. DT was not the same force in the post season that he was in regular season, at least on the stat sheet.

Where are you seeing zero tackles for DT in the playoffs? I see 10, including 6.5 sacks.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...T/ThomDe01.htm

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-525936	I would think he should slot in between Donald and the 3rd guy. I don't think they'll get to 30 mil so in the end, it's probably a play out the year and let him walk kinda thing.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-525936	I don't really know that I can name 5 better defensive players currently.....
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08-01-2023, 08:18 AM	#509
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-525936	The edge rushers statistically have the edge sack wise, but I think Jones is more of a force overall in his impact and I think Wallcrawler has made the point with the DT in the playoffs thing. It's a bit easier to plan around a DE than a dominant DT.
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