Chiefs The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition - Page 19

**TribalElder** · 07-22-2023, 06:08 PM

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute

Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

Rainbarrel · 07-25-2023, 05:48 PM

I wonder if this is how HOF bids are done. No one would be talking about how important he is to the team if the deal was already done. Now it will be planted in the subconscious for a few years down the road

O.city · 07-25-2023, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It wouldn't cripple the team, we'd just have to be a different team.

There are some decent stop gaps out there right now that I'd argue we should look at because are DT depth is bleh and Warton may start the year on PUP. But odds are we have 1 more season with Jones either way.

They’re not a Super Bowl contender without Chris jones this season

Coochie liquor · 07-25-2023, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Since clearly someone in the Chiefs camp leaked this, the Jones camp needs to leak what the Chiefs are offering.

I would assume no higher than $27M.

Why hasn’t anyone asked the CP KING of updates…. DJBILL???

Dude had the scoop, hell he might just be Burnt Peach!!

Coochie liquor · 07-25-2023, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They’re not a Super Bowl contender without Chris jones this season

Bruh, CJ isn’t Mahomes. I love Chris, but you’re giving him a bit much credit. Vatch knows that, and will act accordingly! Either way we will have CJ this season. But the only player we absolutely have to have to win a championship is number 15!

dlphg9 · 07-25-2023, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Bruh, CJ isn’t Mahomes. I love Chris, but you’re giving him a bit much credit. Vatch knows that, and will act accordingly! Either way we will have CJ this season. But the only player we absolutely have to have to win a championship is number 15!

Chris Jones was just barely less important than Patrick Mahomes. We don't win the SB last year with out him. If Karlaftis doesn't take a big jump and we don't see contributions from someone else on the line, then our D is probably the worst it's been in the Mahomes era of Jones doesn't play this year. Good thing he will.

**PHOG** · 07-25-2023, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Chris Jones was just barely less important than Patrick Mahomes. We don't win the SB last year with out him. If Karlaftis doesn't take a big jump and we don't see contributions from someone else on the line, then our D is probably the worst it's been in the Mahomes era of Jones doesn't play this year. Good thing he will.

Surely you haven't forgotten Bob Sutton's defense?

Coochie liquor · 07-25-2023, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Chris Jones was just barely less important than Patrick Mahomes. We don't win the SB last year with out him. If Karlaftis doesn't take a big jump and we don't see contributions from someone else on the line, then our D is probably the worst it's been in the Mahomes era of Jones doesn't play this year. Good thing he will.

I think CJ will play this year. But I’m not willing to pay him what he wants. If he doesn’t play (he will) then I still feel like we’ll be ok. We have very elite LB, and secondary. Spags will make it work. But no ****ing way is paying him 30 mil a year a good investment. We’re not talking about last year, we’re talking about THIS season. And as long as we have 15 we have the best shot in the league. I’d rather lose CJ next season, but keep Creed, Bolton, and one of Tre, or Sneed than pay 30 year old CJ 30 million a season. In Veach we trust.

dlphg9 · 07-25-2023, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PHOG

Surely you haven't forgotten Bob Sutton's defense?

Nope I haven't, but last year if we didn't have Chris Jones, then it'd be worse than those. He's a huge reason for why this D got to the QB so much. He did it himself and they had to constantly try and stop him which opened it up for the other pass rushers.

dlphg9 · 07-25-2023, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

I think CJ will play this year. But I’m not willing to pay him what he wants. If he doesn’t play (he will) then I still feel like we’ll be ok. We have very elite LB, and secondary. Spags will make it work. But no ****ing way is paying him 30 mil a year a good investment. We’re not talking about last year, we’re talking about THIS season. And as long as we have 15 we have the best shot in the league. I’d rather lose CJ next season, but keep Creed, Bolton, and one of Tre, or Sneed than pay 30 year old CJ 30 million a season. In Veach we trust.

Those LBs look a lot worse without Jones taking up double teams and that secondary looks a lot worse without Jones wrecking shit and forcing the QB to pass the ball. Bolton is the only guy I'd worry about losing. Andy has never had trouble finding a center. Creed is going to get paid $15 mil/yr. Bolton is going to get $20 mil/yr. Sneed is going to get anywhere between $15-$20 mil/yr. Trey is going to get around $15 mil/yr.

Like I said I'm fine with losing everyone of those guys besides Bolton. This organization hasn't had trouble finding DBs and interior lineman. We haven't shown an ability to acquire dominant LBs and Bolton could become the best in the league. DTs like Jones are damn near impossible to acquire, especially when you pick where we pick.

I think he signs ~$29 mil/yr and I'm good with it. He's worth it.

Nate Taylor thinks that the Chiefs will actually cave in to his demands.

O.city · 07-26-2023, 06:15 AM

I would agree, they cave here I think.

If you wanna go back to back, he’s an integral piece for the next couple years

dtrain · 07-26-2023, 07:03 AM

Found this an interesting read only part of article
https://arrowheadaddict.com/posts/ch...rushers-chiefs

If you aren't on board with giving Jones a deal with that high of average, you're really going to think what I'm about to suggest is crazy. After playing with the numbers a little, I think I would offer Jones a five-year deal. Something like 5 years, $150 million ($30 million/year average), with $80 million guaranteed. That would put him second behind all pass rushers behind Aaron Donald on a yearly average and would be the largest total dollar contract for a defender in the entire NFL.

That may sound crazy, but by spreading the money out over five years you can keep the cap hits down more in the first couple of years of the deal and give the team more options in what they want to do with Jones after the guaranteed money is finished. If you do a four-year deal for $30 million/year, you either have to have big cap numbers right away or have a ridiculously huge number in the fourth year of the deal that everyone knows will never be paid.

Here's a simplified example of how a deal like this could work. $25 million of the $80 million guaranteed is a signing bonus that is pro-rated over all five years of the deal. Then the remaining $55 million that is guaranteed is his salary for the first three seasons. So essentially you have a fully guaranteed three-year deal and after that the only dead money if he is cut is the remaining signing bonus cap hits. So the yearly breakdown could be something like this:

Year 1 - Fully guaranteed $15 million cap hit ($5 million signing bonus, $10 million salary)
Year 2 - Fully guaranteed $25 million cap hit ($5 million signing bonus, $20 million salary)
Year 3 - Fully guaranteed $30 million cap hit ($5 million signing bonus, $25 million salary)
Year 4 - $35 million cap hit (only $5 million signing bonus is guaranteed)
Year 5 - $45 million cap hit (only $5 million signing bonus is guaranteed)

So in year 4 of the deal (2026) the Chiefs would have options. They could keep Jones (who would be 32 that season) if he's still worth the $35 million cap hit, they could save $25 million in cap space by cutting him and only have $10 million in dead cap, or they could renegotiate if Jones' play has started to decline. The proposed fifth year is highly unlikely to be reached, but this structure at least makes the fourth year possible. While it would be a five-year deal on paper, it would essentially be a fully guaranteed three-year deal with an optional fourth year and no more than $10 million in dead money after the first three years.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 07-26-2023, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They’re not a Super Bowl contender without Chris jones this season

Nah, we just have to be better on offense. We won a superbowl with Sorenson, Neimann, Raglund and Hitchens all getting significant snaps...

**BigRedChief** · 07-26-2023, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

Anyone have the running fine total

(number of days vets have been at training camp) X ($50,000.00) = Fine Total so far

First day veterans have to report to camp. Last Monday.

tredadda · 07-26-2023, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Nope I haven't, but last year if we didn't have Chris Jones, then it'd be worse than those. He's a huge reason for why this D got to the QB so much. He did it himself and they had to constantly try and stop him which opened it up for the other pass rushers.

Not going to devalue Jones' impact on the defense, but him not being there won't put this defense in the 2018 or worse category. Also on that 2018 defense we had Jones. Will the defense take a step back without him? Sure. But it won't go from middle of the pack to historically bad.

Red Dawg · 07-26-2023, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They’re not a Super Bowl contender without Chris jones this season

Wrong.

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dtrain Who's your daddy? Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Junction City Casino cash: $-1176694	Found this an interesting read only part of article https://arrowheadaddict.com/posts/ch...rushers-chiefs If you aren't on board with giving Jones a deal with that high of average, you're really going to think what I'm about to suggest is crazy. After playing with the numbers a little, I think I would offer Jones a five-year deal. Something like 5 years, $150 million ($30 million/year average), with $80 million guaranteed. That would put him second behind all pass rushers behind Aaron Donald on a yearly average and would be the largest total dollar contract for a defender in the entire NFL. That may sound crazy, but by spreading the money out over five years you can keep the cap hits down more in the first couple of years of the deal and give the team more options in what they want to do with Jones after the guaranteed money is finished. If you do a four-year deal for $30 million/year, you either have to have big cap numbers right away or have a ridiculously huge number in the fourth year of the deal that everyone knows will never be paid. Here's a simplified example of how a deal like this could work. $25 million of the $80 million guaranteed is a signing bonus that is pro-rated over all five years of the deal. Then the remaining $55 million that is guaranteed is his salary for the first three seasons. So essentially you have a fully guaranteed three-year deal and after that the only dead money if he is cut is the remaining signing bonus cap hits. So the yearly breakdown could be something like this: Year 1 - Fully guaranteed $15 million cap hit ($5 million signing bonus, $10 million salary) Year 2 - Fully guaranteed $25 million cap hit ($5 million signing bonus, $20 million salary) Year 3 - Fully guaranteed $30 million cap hit ($5 million signing bonus, $25 million salary) Year 4 - $35 million cap hit (only $5 million signing bonus is guaranteed) Year 5 - $45 million cap hit (only $5 million signing bonus is guaranteed) So in year 4 of the deal (2026) the Chiefs would have options. They could keep Jones (who would be 32 that season) if he's still worth the $35 million cap hit, they could save $25 million in cap space by cutting him and only have $10 million in dead cap, or they could renegotiate if Jones' play has started to decline. The proposed fifth year is highly unlikely to be reached, but this structure at least makes the fourth year possible. While it would be a five-year deal on paper, it would essentially be a fully guaranteed three-year deal with an optional fourth year and no more than $10 million in dead money after the first three years. __________________ To bad more of the team doesn't have this mentality!!!
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