The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition

[TribalElder]

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute



Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

[kcgreene]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

The main problem trying to trade Jones will be the sane problem the Chiefs encountered the first time.

The rest of the league knows that KC doesn't want to pay Jones what he wants. That's why there were no huge offers for him on his first extension, the league either has a team get Jones for less than he's worth, or they force KC to pay more than what they want to pay and to to hamstring our cap situation.

Make no mistake here, this won't likely be a Tyreek Hill type haul if Jones is traded, unless it's just some team desperate to make a big splash and feel a superstar DT puts them over the top and they're fine to "overpay".

The biggest win for the Chiefs on moving Chris Jones is unfortunately the cap space and the ability to retain our younger players for longer.

I don't realistically see any team trading a first round pick or multiple respectable picks and committing 30m per year to acquire Chris Jones.

Guy's good, but we will be completely fine without him.

This is where we disagree. DeForest Buckner got traded for the 13th pick overall a few years back, and although younger, had much less success than CJ95.

Tyreek's trade (at a position that has a larger age premium than DT) I think is a similar trade value that we can look at (maybe even a little higher)

Also, the same concept applied with Tyreek. We were either going to trade or overpay essentially (Just because we as fans didn't know, doesn't mean that other teams didn't, hell his agent was calling around)

I do agree however that with the freed up cap, and what we get in said theoretical trade, that we can make up for Jones' absence.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

No I'm not. Look it up yourself, jackass.

Yep. Distinctly remember that contract having a rolling guarantee in effect. It's constantly 3 years out IIRC.

Also has that massive number in year 6 which I'm assuming will be converted into a second signing bonus to be spread out between years 6-10 since they're only eligible to be spread out up to 5 years.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by kcgreene

Let's look at some figures for 2024:

Chiefs currently have projected 35.66 M in cap next season
Jones Tag would be roughly 33.6M on the cap next year.

Obvious cap releases:
MVS (Save 12M, leaving 2M in dead money)

Extension Possibilities:
Thuney (Due 22.6M)
Reid (Due 14.25M)

Restructuring Mahomes (Saves a varying amount, for this thought experiment let's say it lowers his cap hit from 46.7M to 38M, saving 8.7M)

If we tagged Jones next year (if no deal worked out), we're looking at somewhere between 14M (no extensions or restructures) to north of 30M of cap space (restructure Mahomes and extensions)

I think we have enough wiggle room where if he plays this year and wants absurd money still, we can do a tag and trade next year.

MVS aint going anywhere. Average WR(past their rookie deal) = $10 million in todays NFL. He's a cheap WR in todays market.

Creed is first up nest year for a long term contract. He will break the record for a center and be the highest paid center in the game.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by TEX

I'd permit him to seek a trade if he is unwilling to lower his demands or play under the current contract.

Come on Tex, if this is Chris's stance you really don't have many other options. You would have ultimate authority over the trade specifics. I hated to lose Tyreek, but if Chris is asking for money that would hamper us from extensions coming for Bolton, Creed, Smith and Sneed... Well, then you have to make tough decisions.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Come on Tex, if this is Chris's stance you really don't have many other options. You would have ultimate authority over the trade specifics. I hated to lose Tyreek, but if Chris is asking for money that would hamper us from extensions coming for Bolton, Creed, Smith and Sneed... Well, then you have to make tough decisions.

Those players make our defense better than losing them but keeping Jones.

[kcgreene]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

MVS aint going anywhere. Average WR(past their rookie deal) = $10 million in todays NFL. He's a cheap WR in todays market.

Creed is first up nest year for a long term contract. He will break the record for a center and be the highest paid center in the game.

That's an intriguing thought on MVS. Haven't really considered that, more was just looking at how crowded our WR room is and that I think between Moore stepping up and Rice that we'll fill some roles (but will still be lacking that deep threat that MVS provides.)

I could see that going either way now that you mention it like that. I still think however, that if Veach wants to tag and trade CJ95, he will find a way.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

The main problem trying to trade Jones will be the sane problem the Chiefs encountered the first time.

The rest of the league knows that KC doesn't want to pay Jones what he wants. That's why there were no huge offers for him on his first extension, the league either has a team get Jones for less than he's worth, or they force KC to pay more than what they want to pay and to to hamstring our cap situation.

Make no mistake here, this won't likely be a Tyreek Hill type haul if Jones is traded, unless it's just some team desperate to make a big splash and feel a superstar DT puts them over the top and they're fine to "overpay".

The biggest win for the Chiefs on moving Chris Jones is unfortunately the cap space and the ability to retain our younger players for longer.

I don't realistically see any team trading a first round pick or multiple respectable picks and committing 30m per year to acquire Chris Jones.

Guy's good, but we will be completely fine without him.

They won’t trade him now, it’s too late to do that. Maybe next off-season.

He’s also the center piece of the defense. So yeah, they’ll miss him

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

MVS aint going anywhere. Average WR(past their rookie deal) = $10 million in todays NFL. He's a cheap WR in todays market.

Creed is first up nest year for a long term contract. He will break the record for a center and be the highest paid center in the game.

MVS is a one trick pony. You release him to save the cap dollars and draft a speed receiver. You don't pay a veteran receiver 10-12 million per year that can't run a complete route tree and have questionable hands. MVS is fine for this season as we need that veteran presence in the receiver group, but next season Moore will be in his third year, Toney in his fourth, Rice will be in his second year, and you have James as the "veteran" presence.

[O.city]

The time to get the trade stuff down was before the draft. That’s not happening now.

He’ll be a chiefs this year. Next year maybe not but I’m guessing he will end up signing an extension here anywag

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

They won’t trade him now, it’s too late to do that. Maybe next off-season.

He’s also the center piece of the defense. So yeah, they’ll miss him

Yeah, if he wants Donald money and guarantees and I can see Veach saying no. He wont be traded this year.

I was very very concerned when we let Hill go. Mahomes proved he can make any WR better. He's the GOAT. But..... how does Mahomes lift up the defense? Maybe losing Jones will hurt a lot worse than Hill?

Besides the obvious one of losing Mahomes, I think losing Kelce or Reid will impact our team more than anything else. But, Jones is next on that list. This devolves into negative crap, we can get great draft picks next year for him. Many teams without a Mahomes will pay him Donald money.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

MVS is a one trick pony. You release him to save the cap dollars and draft a speed receiver. You don't pay a veteran receiver 10-12 million per year that can't run a complete route tree and have questionable hands. MVS is fine for this season as we need that veteran presence in the receiver group, but next season Moore will be in his third year, Toney in his fourth, Rice will be in his second year, and you have James as the "veteran" presence.

I dunno, that’s not terrible on a vet wr these days. I’d prefer not to but we’ll see how he plays this season

[Dunerdr]

I am confident that he will either be a Chief or he wont.

[O.city]

This is again where I think they just wait too long on these things.

They knew the # in March. If you don’t wanna get to it, fine, don’t. I’m not big on paying defenders a 3rd contract anyway, but don’t drag it out. If you aren’t willing to pay it, trade him and move on.

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by kcgreene

Let's look at some figures for 2024:

Chiefs currently have projected 35.66 M in cap next season
Jones Tag would be roughly 33.6M on the cap next year.

Obvious cap releases:
MVS (Save 12M, leaving 2M in dead money)

Extension Possibilities:
Thuney (Due 22.6M)
Reid (Due 14.25M)

Restructuring Mahomes (Saves a varying amount, for this thought experiment let's say it lowers his cap hit from 46.7M to 38M, saving 8.7M)

If we tagged Jones next year (if no deal worked out), we're looking at somewhere between 14M (no extensions or restructures) to north of 30M of cap space (restructure Mahomes and extensions)

I think we have enough wiggle room where if he plays this year and wants absurd money still, we can do a tag and trade next year.

I think Chris Jones is an amazing player, but at 30M a year on the defensive side of the ball, I think the argument can be made that the money can be used in the aggregate across the entire defense or team, plus, that money long term could very much be used in signing younger players long term (Humphrey and Bolton specifically should be in the long term plans of this team IMO)

Not to mention for a player of Jones caliber, you're probably netting something somewhere around a 1st and a 3rd back, and can hopefully get another quality (cheap) player in the draft.

It would be painful, BUT he is not the Mahomes of the defense. NO ONE ELSE IN THE NFL IMPACTS A GAME LIKE PATRICK MAHOMES DOES. Does he lead the defense? Absolutely, but he is touchable in terms of cap. Not like Mahomes. Mahomes could want 35% of the cap and you say Yes. Jones has a number, the question is if 30M (roughly 14% of the cap this year) is viable in long term with this team.

Honestly, I hope these conversations are happening at 1 Arrowhead Dr, because if Veach does anything like trading CJ95, he'll have a plan in place to address his absence.

We have $51 mil next year

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://twitter.com/cdotharrison/sta...lHXA6BeO88mpxA

He got it wrong. If we tag him it’s the avg of the top 5 d linemen. This year it was $18-19 mil avc

That $33 mil is higher then the highest paid perso.