The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition

[TribalElder]

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute



Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

[Red Dawg]

83%? You people live in a fantasy world. Do you wanna keep Bolton and Sneed? Then let Jones and his insane amount of money walk.

[Delano]

I wonder how much leverage the Chiefs lost when they weren’t able to draft Mazi Smith? If there was truth to those rumors, you’d think it would hint at the thought process of the front office.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Skyy God

Because rich people keep getting richer.

Do you even America, bro??

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

Well Yes, Yes I do. Still gives me cause for pause.............

You cant just be a BILLIONAIRE to play in the NFL ownership. You need at least $10 billion to play. Hunt had to put $450 million in escrow to pay Pat's contract. That money isnt earning his shit. He gets zero interest. There are yearly fees for escrow. Even BILLIONAIRE's taking $450 million out of their investment portofolio and not earn a penny off the money is going to be noticed.

[kcgreene]

Let's look at some figures for 2024:

Chiefs currently have projected 35.66 M in cap next season
Jones Tag would be roughly 33.6M on the cap next year.

Obvious cap releases:
MVS (Save 12M, leaving 2M in dead money)

Extension Possibilities:
Thuney (Due 22.6M)
Reid (Due 14.25M)

Restructuring Mahomes (Saves a varying amount, for this thought experiment let's say it lowers his cap hit from 46.7M to 38M, saving 8.7M)

If we tagged Jones next year (if no deal worked out), we're looking at somewhere between 14M (no extensions or restructures) to north of 30M of cap space (restructure Mahomes and extensions)

I think we have enough wiggle room where if he plays this year and wants absurd money still, we can do a tag and trade next year.

I think Chris Jones is an amazing player, but at 30M a year on the defensive side of the ball, I think the argument can be made that the money can be used in the aggregate across the entire defense or team, plus, that money long term could very much be used in signing younger players long term (Humphrey and Bolton specifically should be in the long term plans of this team IMO)

Not to mention for a player of Jones caliber, you're probably netting something somewhere around a 1st and a 3rd back, and can hopefully get another quality (cheap) player in the draft.

It would be painful, BUT he is not the Mahomes of the defense. NO ONE ELSE IN THE NFL IMPACTS A GAME LIKE PATRICK MAHOMES DOES. Does he lead the defense? Absolutely, but he is touchable in terms of cap. Not like Mahomes. Mahomes could want 35% of the cap and you say Yes. Jones has a number, the question is if 30M (roughly 14% of the cap this year) is viable in long term with this team.

Honestly, I hope these conversations are happening at 1 Arrowhead Dr, because if Veach does anything like trading CJ95, he'll have a plan in place to address his absence.

[Sofa King]

Meanwhile, Philly and San Fran keep paying defenders big contracts every year and things seem to work out well for them. Unless they play us in the Super Bowl with Chris Jones.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You cant just be a BILLIONAIRE to play in the NFL ownership. You need at least $10 billion to play. Hunt had to put $450 million in escrow to pay Pat's contract. That money isnt earning his shit. He gets zero interest. There are yearly fees for escrow. Even BILLIONAIRE's taking $450 million out of their investment portofolio and not earn a penny off the money is going to be noticed.

Clark didn't have to put anywhere near 450 million into escrow for Patrick's contract. You only have to put the guaranteed money into escrow and they way Patrick's contract is structured Clark only had to put 63 million into escrow.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

It won’t come to any of this but I think the team has the
leverage.

Jones is under contract to make around $20MM this season. He sits out and he doesn’t get credit for the year and KC still owns his right. Jones really has little leverage.

This is what I understand too.

Also they always gave those $50K a day fines back to the player or just waived the fines once he signed. New NFLPA/NFL rules say there is no waiving of the fines. The player must pay the money.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

83%? You people live in a fantasy world. Do you wanna keep Bolton and Sneed? Then let Jones and his insane amount of money walk.

Keep and off ball middle line backer and a slot corner over a pass rushing dt?

No I would much rather have the hall of fame pass rusher

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Clark didn't have to put anywhere near 450 million into escrow for Patrick's contract. You only have to put the guaranteed money into escrow and they way Patrick's contract is structured Clark only had to put 63 million into escrow.

You are wrong.

[kcgreene]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Clark didn't have to put anywhere near 450 million into escrow for Patrick's contract. You only have to put the guaranteed money into escrow and they way Patrick's contract is structured Clark only had to put 63 million into escrow.

Thats right. Every year he has to put the new guaranteed money in before the new league year, but in no way was it 450M at once.

[kcgreene]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You are wrong.

I'll doublecheck, but with the rolling guarantees, I'm pretty sure he just has to make sure all new guaranteed money is in escrow before the league year starts...

[Wallcrawler]

The main problem trying to trade Jones will be the sane problem the Chiefs encountered the first time.

The rest of the league knows that KC doesn't want to pay Jones what he wants. That's why there were no huge offers for him on his first extension, the league either has a team get Jones for less than he's worth, or they force KC to pay more than what they want to pay and to to hamstring our cap situation.

Make no mistake here, this won't likely be a Tyreek Hill type haul if Jones is traded, unless it's just some team desperate to make a big splash and feel a superstar DT puts them over the top and they're fine to "overpay".

The biggest win for the Chiefs on moving Chris Jones is unfortunately the cap space and the ability to retain our younger players for longer.

I don't realistically see any team trading a first round pick or multiple respectable picks and committing 30m per year to acquire Chris Jones.

Guy's good, but we will be completely fine without him.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by O.city

Keep and off ball middle line backer and a slot corner over a pass rushing dt?

No I would much rather have the hall of fame pass rusher

It's RedDawg. He's a moron. Plus, there is nothing saying you can't keep all three. Release Joe Thuney next season. Release MVS next season. Restructure Justin Reed and extend Kelce. That's more than enough to keep Sneed, Bolton, and Creed.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You are wrong.

No I'm not. Look it up yourself, jackass.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by O.city

Keep and off ball middle line backer and a slot corner over a pass rushing dt?

No I would much rather have the hall of fame pass rusher

Jones isn't even close on Hall of Fame points. Take it down a notch.