“Pat who?” - Ja’Marr Chase

[Dante84]

Update:

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— Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) June 16, 2023

Burrow's goal? "To be the best in the world."
He believes Pat [Mahomes] is the best QB right now.

Ja'Marr Chase disagrees...."Pat who?!"#Bengals | #Chiefs | @WLWT | @Real10jayy__ pic.twitter.com/bYJadaHJNX

— Olivia Ray (@OliviaRayTV) June 13, 2023

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Did we? Let me guess….the modern era is less important in basketball?

I’m loving seeing Calimari run that program into the ground, btw. Lifetime contract.

Neither is less important. And you are a mean sonofabitch!

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

You're right. I'm sure Pat could have avoided Aaron Donald blowing past the oline and getting on his blind side in 2 seconds.

Pat identifies Donald and watches him shred his dude, then drifts back and to the right before he closes that ground throwing an off-platform bomb to the streaking Chase. High IQ players do high IQ things.

Your wunderkind coach could have ran the ball on 4th and a foot also. Hell Pat would have picked that up on the ground with an obliterated ankle.

[Punwit]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

I don't think it comes down to the receiving corps. I think it's how well each one is protected. We've both seen our teams fail when the line can't hold up, regardless of who is running routes. Pat has taken good advantage of his line and gotten the job done. I'm hoping the Bengals can protect better and give Joe the chance to succeed or fail in those moments on his abilities.

I think you sidestepped my question. Do you not believe that the Bengals have one of, if not the best, receiving corps in the NFL. You don't think it's an advantage for your team?

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

I don't think it comes down to the receiving corps. I think it's how well each one is protected. We've both seen our teams fail when the line can't hold up, regardless of who is running routes. Pat has taken good advantage of his line and gotten the job done. I'm hoping the Bengals can protect better and give Joe the chance to succeed or fail in those moments on his abilities.

Wrong. Mahomes has been good with poor protection too. Even in the SB vs Tampa, with the worst OL in playoff history, he was making incredible plays left and right. Unfortunately his receivers were dropping TD passes that hit their facemasks.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Did we? Let me guess….the modern era is less important in basketball?

I’m loving seeing Calimari run that program into the ground, btw. Lifetime contract.

Rupp Rafters is great, great reading if you're so inclined.

LIFETIME??

[Punwit]

Also do you believe Pat and Joe are equally talented at evading pressure?

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Neither is less important. And you are a mean sonofabitch!

Mean for laughing at Kentucky’s misfortune? That fanbase has talked relentless shit on KU for years. There are probably three KU threads on the first page of Rupp Rafters as we speak.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Punwit

I think you sidestepped my question. Do you not believe that the Bengals have one of, if not the best, receiving corps in the NFL. You don't think it's an advantage for your team?

Of course they do. I get where your aim was. You're not going to agree that Burrow could have done what Mahomes did on that team so that's why i answered the way i did.

It's not always as black and white as your question implied. I posted some time ago what Burrows stats were when the line was protecting him last year, before all the injuries set in. He was clearly QB1 in that stretch.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Wrong. Mahomes has been good with poor protection too. Even in the SB vs Tampa, with the worst OL in playoff history, he was making incredible plays left and right. Unfortunately his receivers were dropping TD passes that hit their facemasks.

Not going down the 'excuses rabbit hole'.

[Punwit]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Of course they do. I get where your aim was. You're not going to agree that Burrow could have done what Mahomes did on that team so that's why i answered the way i did.

It's not always as black and white as your question implied. I posted some time ago what Burrows stats were when the line was protecting him last year, before all the injuries set in. He was clearly QB1 in that stretch.

Which distinction one would expect from a QB with arguably the best receiving corps in the NFL, no?

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Punwit

Also do you believe Pat and Joe are equally talented at evading pressure?

No. Pat's more elusive and quicker.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Mean for laughing at Kentucky’s misfortune? That fanbase has talked relentless shit on KU for years. There are probably three KU threads on the first page of Rupp Rafters as we speak.

Never been there. UK fans, from south of where i live in KY are nuts.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Punwit

Which distinction one would expect from a QB with arguably the best receiving corps in the NFL, no?

Sure. Best receiving corps + protection = elite.

And sure, Pat would do just as well if not better in those circumstances. I've never argued that Burrow was better. Not seriously, at least with where we sit right now.

[Punwit]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Sure. Best receiving corps + protection = elite.

And sure, Pat would do just as well if not better in those circumstances. I've never argued that Burrow was better. Not seriously, at least with where we sit right now.

That was my point. This thread started because Chase said something dumb. Pat is a unicorn and Joe is a good, maybe great, QB but he isn't Pat. Pat would improve ANY team he is added to and that includes the Bengals. Now the amount of improvement may be less on the Bengals than any other team (not my argument right now) but he is a unicorn.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Not going down the 'excuses rabbit hole'.

The point isn’t to make excuses. The point is that Mahomes can still produce at a really high level despite poor protection. The only piece of evidence to the contrary is a game vs a loaded team in which his receivers dropped three TD passes that hit either their hands or facemask. Is he supposed to catch the ball too?

His line was poor for much of 2020 and he still went 14-1, put up great numbers and went to the SB. Hell, his tackles weren’t even very good last year. He (and Reid) just made them look much better than they are. You’ll find that out soon enough.