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Old 06-13-2023, 04:38 PM  
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Old 06-16-2023, 01:19 PM   #256
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Old 06-16-2023, 01:23 PM   #257
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I've never said he's an anchor to save the line. He's a domino that allows other pieces to fall in place and he's an instant upgrade to a guy that gave up the most sacks for a LT last year and the 2nd most the year before.
I don't know who ended up having more pressures allowed, but Orlando Brown was credited with around 50 pressures allowed in 2022 (depending on source), and that was playing next to the best pass blocking LG in the NFL.

The only reason his sack rate was respectable is because Mahomes is a magician. Burrow is also good at avoiding pressure and moving in the pocket, but he's not AS good.

The idea that Orlando Brown is an instant/automatic upgrade from Jonah Williams is one with some faults.

Check this article out and notice how 2022 Orlando Brown Jr. compares to 2022 Jonah Williams in the "per" stats.

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Old 06-16-2023, 01:32 PM   #258
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I don't know who ended up having more pressures allowed, but Orlando Brown was credited with around 50 pressures allowed in 2022 (depending on source), and that was playing next to the best pass blocking LG in the NFL.

The only reason his sack rate was respectable is because Mahomes is a magician. Burrow is also good at avoiding pressure and moving in the pocket, but he's not AS good.

The idea that Orlando Brown is an instant/automatic upgrade from Jonah Williams is one with some faults.

Check this article out and notice how 2022 Orlando Brown Jr. compares to 2022 Jonah Williams in the "per" stats.

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Don't forget about McKinnon. His pass blocking is underrated
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I've never said he's an anchor to save the line. He's a domino that allows other pieces to fall in place and he's an instant upgrade to a guy that gave up the most sacks for a LT last year and the 2nd most the year before.
Yeah, and he was an upgrade to Mike Remmers at LT in that Bucs SB.

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Will Orlando Brown, Jr. be an upgrade?

That's an excellent question. I understand Bengals fans think so. But guys... as a pass blocker I don't think he's an upgrade from Jonah Williams.

Brown's limited athleticism IS a factor that he and the team have to prepare for. Quicker passes, shorter drops, help to his side... all things the Chiefs learned they had to do over the past two seasons to make him viable. As a pass protector, he has to chase guys up the arc. The Chiefs made it work. But he regressed this past season (or opposing teams got more tape on him in the Chiefs O and became better at attacking him).

He's a better run blocker than Williams simply because he's massive. But he's not leading anything to the outside or getting far downfield on the second level to extend runs.

Jonah Williams struggled against power rushes but was pretty good against athletic guys, right? Well, how does an OL look when the RT is getting pushed into his QB's lap consistently, and the LT is trying to chase speed guys up the arc? Can't drift back, can only step up and to the left. Better hope that LG-C combination is as good as Thuney-Humphrey, because if they're not...
I think he will fit the Bengals offense better because quicker, timing passes are a staple of the offense.

Jonah has been rehabbing and i think the move to the right side will motivate him to show he's better than what he put on tape the last couple years. If nothing else, to get a bag from some other team that needs a LT next year. As far as the power typically on the right side, the Bengals see the Browns and Steelers 4 times a year. Watt lines up there 100% of the time and Garrett lines up there a lot. I don't worry too much about the stereotypical speed left, power right dynamic.

Last year, Collins came in and i think fans expected a lot out of him and he even talked some bullshit about being Burrow's bodyguard, etc. He was ok but had trouble with speed over there, like you're saying with OBj but the Bengals quick passing offense helped him out. He was solid enough that he wasn't an issue. I think Brown, at worst, would be the same.
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I don't know who ended up having more pressures allowed, but Orlando Brown was credited with around 50 pressures allowed in 2022 (depending on source), and that was playing next to the best pass blocking LG in the NFL.

The only reason his sack rate was respectable is because Mahomes is a magician. Burrow is also good at avoiding pressure and moving in the pocket, but he's not AS good.

The idea that Orlando Brown is an instant/automatic upgrade from Jonah Williams is one with some faults.

Check this article out and notice how 2022 Orlando Brown Jr. compares to 2022 Jonah Williams in the "per" stats.

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Could be. It could be a shit show. I just know, as a Bengals fan, it's hard to imagine it being worse than it's been the last 2 years. Very hard to imagine.
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They picked up OBj, which will be an upgrade to the left side and moved Jonah, which will be an upgrade to the right side. Now they have Collins and Carmen backing up each side.

The starters will most likely be a small upgrade--but that's all they really need--but the backups will be a massive upgrade in case of injuries. No more turnstiles like Adeniji and Prince.

They have far more quality depth on the line this year. No excuses.
Veach has done everything in his power to protect Mahomes after SB 55. He let Brown Jr. walk while watching him sign for far less than his demands. If Brown Jr was as good as you think, he would still be a Chief.
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Could be. It could be a shit show. I just know, as a Bengals fan, it's hard to imagine it being worse than it's been the last 2 years. Very hard to imagine.
If you look at the charts in the article I linked, you will see that 2022 Orlando Brown, Jr. was WORSE than Jonah Williams at all of the rate stats per snap (pressure, hits) except for sacks (and that's on the QB and the rest of the line, not the OT).

So yes, it is possible for Brown to be worse than the past two years. Overall depth should be improved, though.
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They picked up OBj, which will be an upgrade to the left side and moved Jonah, which will be an upgrade to the right side. Now they have Collins and Carmen backing up each side.

The starters will most likely be a small upgrade--but that's all they really need--but the backups will be a massive upgrade in case of injuries. No more turnstiles like Adeniji and Prince.

They have far more quality depth on the line this year. No excuses.
Mahomes is going to play defense this year when we play the Bengals just so he can bumrush OBJ and plant Burrow into the ground at Arrowhead!
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