Do we want DeHop?

[ROYC75]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...9536dcd3&ei=21


Story by Andrew Gould




The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver, but they could reportedly make an elite offense even scarier by acquiring DeAndre Hopkins.

NFL insider Benjamin Albright told PHNX Cardinals that Kansas City is the "primary suitor" for Hopkins. He doesn't know the draft compensation the Cardinals would receive, but he said it's more likely they get a second-round pick than a first.

After the 2022 season, theScore's Jordan Schultz reported that the Cardinals plan to trade Hopkins this offseason.

Arizona hired a new general manager and head coach after a disappointing four-win season, and Hopkins is set to make $19.45 million (with a $30.75 million cap hit) in 2023. The Cardinals could seek a clean slate by moving the three-time All-Pro wideout, who turns 31 in June.

Hopkins began his Cardinals career by tallying 1,407 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. However, multiple lower body injuries limited him to 10 games in 2021, and he served a six-game suspension to start the 2022 season for violating the NFL's PED policy.

Yet he remains an impact player when on the field. Hopkins totaled 474 receiving yards in six full games with quarterback Kyler Murray last season.

Now imagine what he can accomplish when catching passes from Patrick Mahomes.

The Chiefs flourished without a star replacement for Tyreek Hill, but they could still benefit by solidifying the position this offseason. JuJu Smith-Schuster is a free agent after garnering 78 catches for 933 yards on a one-year deal. The depth chart features several talented question marks in Mecole Hardman, Kadarius Toney, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling.

Adding Hopkins could be great news for Kansas City, but terrible for all opposing defenses.
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Do we want a high priced prima donna?

[TEX]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Here’s some more fan fiction…buckle up and enjoy…

This whole “Dhop to KC” story was based on no more than a grand total of 45 minutes of BVs time. 2 phone calls to the team and a brief conversation with the agent to try to facilitate a trade. That’s it. Here’s how it went down. Take it for what it’s worth.

When BV originally called (on the day Arizona made it public that Hopkins may get traded) and they told him the ridiculous asking price (a second and another pick and a player) the whole conversation didn’t last more than 10 minutes. Brett hanging up saying “those guys are nuts” is literally how it ended. Brett addressed concerns, but Arizona was only interested in getting max return a year after guys like Adams and Hill get mega deals in mega trades. They completely overplayed their hand. The call was ended abruptly as the 2 sides were very far apart, but a line of communication was opened.

Then, a follow up call (after the Cooks trade) to try to talk some sense into them on what needs to happen to facilitate a trade that makes sense happened within minutes of the trade. Brett was very composed and made a quality offer of pick 135 and Willie Gay Jr for Hopkins and Arizona restructures the deal before the trade by converting 10m of the base salary for 2023 to bonus and eating the dead money. Arizona was still dead set on keeping him if they don’t get their price, but KC was firm in their offer. That’s also why KC signed Drue Tranquill. They were within hours/days of each other. Maybe the same day. Gay was going to Arizona if they could figure out the $$$stuff.

Arizona expected Hopkins to take a paycut for 5m and they would bonus him the other 5m so KC could make the contract work by restructuring it once the trade was done to help the immediate cap figure. Hopkins said to his agent at that time that he wouldn’t take a paycut to make the trade work (but that he wouldn’t want an aav raise if KC wanted to give him an extension) and Arizona chose not to cut a check for 10m to facilitate the trade and it fell apart. Willie Gay heard he might be traded and was notified that was a possibility when he voiced his concern…it was that close.

Brett called and talked directly to Hopkins agent for more than a few minutes towards the end of negotiations, trying to get him to have Deandre take a cut. Tried playing the angle of how good DHop would be in KC with Pat and how Hopkins can win a title before the window closes. It was an impressive pitch. Brett tried to explain to him *in detail* how he would make the $ back in endorsements after a Super Bowl and even during the year.. Hopkins and his agent didn’t budge, citing how that would diminish his stature by him publicly taking a paycut.

And now the whole relationship between the team and WGJ is damaged, as well. I hate to say it, but I won’t be surprised if he’s traded before or during training camp. He loves it in KC and wants to stay long term, but doesn’t feel like KC wants to keep him…and you can understand why. We might lose him for less than we think because unless he can reset his mindset, this one was a gut punch to him and the team may try to give him a chance by trading him to a team in the NFC that he would have a chance to earn a long term deal for.

It’s the reality of having a QB on a mega contract. Guys like WGJ move on to other teams and have great careers and KC replaces them with cost controlled options.

Right after the deal completely fell through and Veach knew it wasn’t going to happen, he called Pat and told him they were looking to draft him a top talent WR and that’s when Pat started having throwing sessions with a few of the guys that would be in the draft. Rice was the first one Pat called and Pat told him on the phone he thinks he’s similar to Hopkins and he flew him out to work with him for a couple days.

Brett and Pat are in constant communication and Pat had the highest praise for Rice after their sessions in how he picked up what Patrick was seeing and adjusting the way Pat wanted him to. They had a good relationship on the field. Brett asked Pat what he thinks of Johnston and Flowers and Pat watched some film of them against top competition and called them to work out with them.

Pat didn’t think Rice and Johnston were even comparable. Said “night and day” to Veach after the throwing sessions with Johnston. Basically said Rice does everything Johnston does, plus a lot more…and that he does it better.

Pat fell in LOVE with Flowers, though. Absolutely loved him…and the feeling was mutual. When Mahomes talked to Brett about Flowers, he face timed him so he could see his smile. That was BVs target for the first round going into the draft. He tried moving up to every slot after 17 to try and get him, but no AFC teams would offer their pick without overcharging and the NFC teams either stayed out or also wanted above chart value to move down to 31 because of the drop off in talent moving that far back.

The final call to move up was to Baltimore and they laughed a little on the phone and said they are taking him if we don’t send 31 and 63. A drastic overcharge because that’s how they see the player.

So BV took Felix in the first and started making calls about moving up with the 100% intention of doing whatever it takes to get Rice. Even telling Clark he’s going to get “the kid from SMU” before round 2 started.

And an NFC team helped them get to 55 by taking exact chart value in the trade.

And Patrick Mahomes gets his young Deandre Hopkins in Rice.

What an amazing time to be a Chiefs fan.

Interesting. Seems like most of the early part of the KC draft was a compromise of sorts. But imo KC was still able to get good players.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Here’s some more fan fiction…buckle up and enjoy…

This whole “Dhop to KC” story was based on no more than a grand total of 45 minutes of BVs time. 2 phone calls to the team and a brief conversation with the agent to try to facilitate a trade. That’s it. Here’s how it went down. Take it for what it’s worth.

When BV originally called (on the day Arizona made it public that Hopkins may get traded) and they told him the ridiculous asking price (a second and another pick and a player) the whole conversation didn’t last more than 10 minutes. Brett hanging up saying “those guys are nuts” is literally how it ended. Brett addressed concerns, but Arizona was only interested in getting max return a year after guys like Adams and Hill get mega deals in mega trades. They completely overplayed their hand. The call was ended abruptly as the 2 sides were very far apart, but a line of communication was opened.

Then, a follow up call (after the Cooks trade) to try to talk some sense into them on what needs to happen to facilitate a trade that makes sense happened within minutes of the trade. Brett was very composed and made a quality offer of pick 135 and Willie Gay Jr for Hopkins and Arizona restructures the deal before the trade by converting 10m of the base salary for 2023 to bonus and eating the dead money. Arizona was still dead set on keeping him if they don’t get their price, but KC was firm in their offer. That’s also why KC signed Drue Tranquill. They were within hours/days of each other. Maybe the same day. Gay was going to Arizona if they could figure out the $$$stuff.

Arizona expected Hopkins to take a paycut for 5m and they would bonus him the other 5m so KC could make the contract work by restructuring it once the trade was done to help the immediate cap figure. Hopkins said to his agent at that time that he wouldn’t take a paycut to make the trade work (but that he wouldn’t want an aav raise if KC wanted to give him an extension) and Arizona chose not to cut a check for 10m to facilitate the trade and it fell apart. Willie Gay heard he might be traded and was notified that was a possibility when he voiced his concern…it was that close.

Brett called and talked directly to Hopkins agent for more than a few minutes towards the end of negotiations, trying to get him to have Deandre take a cut. Tried playing the angle of how good DHop would be in KC with Pat and how Hopkins can win a title before the window closes. It was an impressive pitch. Brett tried to explain to him *in detail* how he would make the $ back in endorsements after a Super Bowl and even during the year.. Hopkins and his agent didn’t budge, citing how that would diminish his stature by him publicly taking a paycut.

And now the whole relationship between the team and WGJ is damaged, as well. I hate to say it, but I won’t be surprised if he’s traded before or during training camp. He loves it in KC and wants to stay long term, but doesn’t feel like KC wants to keep him…and you can understand why. We might lose him for less than we think because unless he can reset his mindset, this one was a gut punch to him and the team may try to give him a chance by trading him to a team in the NFC that he would have a chance to earn a long term deal for.

It’s the reality of having a QB on a mega contract. Guys like WGJ move on to other teams and have great careers and KC replaces them with cost controlled options.

Right after the deal completely fell through and Veach knew it wasn’t going to happen, he called Pat and told him they were looking to draft him a top talent WR and that’s when Pat started having throwing sessions with a few of the guys that would be in the draft. Rice was the first one Pat called and Pat told him on the phone he thinks he’s similar to Hopkins and he flew him out to work with him for a couple days.

Brett and Pat are in constant communication and Pat had the highest praise for Rice after their sessions in how he picked up what Patrick was seeing and adjusting the way Pat wanted him to. They had a good relationship on the field. Brett asked Pat what he thinks of Johnston and Flowers and Pat watched some film of them against top competition and called them to work out with them.

Pat didn’t think Rice and Johnston were even comparable. Said “night and day” to Veach after the throwing sessions with Johnston. Basically said Rice does everything Johnston does, plus a lot more…and that he does it better.

Pat fell in LOVE with Flowers, though. Absolutely loved him…and the feeling was mutual. When Mahomes talked to Brett about Flowers, he face timed him so he could see his smile. That was BVs target for the first round going into the draft. He tried moving up to every slot after 17 to try and get him, but no AFC teams would offer their pick without overcharging and the NFC teams either stayed out or also wanted above chart value to move down to 31 because of the drop off in talent moving that far back.

The final call to move up was to Baltimore and they laughed a little on the phone and said they are taking him if we don’t send 31 and 63. A drastic overcharge because that’s how they see the player.

So BV took Felix in the first and started making calls about moving up with the 100% intention of doing whatever it takes to get Rice. Even telling Clark he’s going to get “the kid from SMU” before round 2 started.

And an NFC team helped them get to 55 by taking exact chart value in the trade.

And Patrick Mahomes gets his young Deandre Hopkins in Rice.

What an amazing time to be a Chiefs fan.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Here’s some more fan fiction…buckle up and enjoy…

This whole “Dhop to KC” story was based on no more than a grand total of 45 minutes of BVs time. 2 phone calls to the team and a brief conversation with the agent to try to facilitate a trade. That’s it. Here’s how it went down. Take it for what it’s worth.

When BV originally called (on the day Arizona made it public that Hopkins may get traded) and they told him the ridiculous asking price (a second and another pick and a player) the whole conversation didn’t last more than 10 minutes. Brett hanging up saying “those guys are nuts” is literally how it ended. Brett addressed concerns, but Arizona was only interested in getting max return a year after guys like Adams and Hill get mega deals in mega trades. They completely overplayed their hand. The call was ended abruptly as the 2 sides were very far apart, but a line of communication was opened.

Then, a follow up call (after the Cooks trade) to try to talk some sense into them on what needs to happen to facilitate a trade that makes sense happened within minutes of the trade. Brett was very composed and made a quality offer of pick 135 and Willie Gay Jr for Hopkins and Arizona restructures the deal before the trade by converting 10m of the base salary for 2023 to bonus and eating the dead money. Arizona was still dead set on keeping him if they don’t get their price, but KC was firm in their offer. That’s also why KC signed Drue Tranquill. They were within hours/days of each other. Maybe the same day. Gay was going to Arizona if they could figure out the $$$stuff.

Arizona expected Hopkins to take a paycut for 5m and they would bonus him the other 5m so KC could make the contract work by restructuring it once the trade was done to help the immediate cap figure. Hopkins said to his agent at that time that he wouldn’t take a paycut to make the trade work (but that he wouldn’t want an aav raise if KC wanted to give him an extension) and Arizona chose not to cut a check for 10m to facilitate the trade and it fell apart. Willie Gay heard he might be traded and was notified that was a possibility when he voiced his concern…it was that close.

Brett called and talked directly to Hopkins agent for more than a few minutes towards the end of negotiations, trying to get him to have Deandre take a cut. Tried playing the angle of how good DHop would be in KC with Pat and how Hopkins can win a title before the window closes. It was an impressive pitch. Brett tried to explain to him *in detail* how he would make the $ back in endorsements after a Super Bowl and even during the year.. Hopkins and his agent didn’t budge, citing how that would diminish his stature by him publicly taking a paycut.

And now the whole relationship between the team and WGJ is damaged, as well. I hate to say it, but I won’t be surprised if he’s traded before or during training camp. He loves it in KC and wants to stay long term, but doesn’t feel like KC wants to keep him…and you can understand why. We might lose him for less than we think because unless he can reset his mindset, this one was a gut punch to him and the team may try to give him a chance by trading him to a team in the NFC that he would have a chance to earn a long term deal for.

It’s the reality of having a QB on a mega contract. Guys like WGJ move on to other teams and have great careers and KC replaces them with cost controlled options.

Right after the deal completely fell through and Veach knew it wasn’t going to happen, he called Pat and told him they were looking to draft him a top talent WR and that’s when Pat started having throwing sessions with a few of the guys that would be in the draft. Rice was the first one Pat called and Pat told him on the phone he thinks he’s similar to Hopkins and he flew him out to work with him for a couple days.

Brett and Pat are in constant communication and Pat had the highest praise for Rice after their sessions in how he picked up what Patrick was seeing and adjusting the way Pat wanted him to. They had a good relationship on the field. Brett asked Pat what he thinks of Johnston and Flowers and Pat watched some film of them against top competition and called them to work out with them.

Pat didn’t think Rice and Johnston were even comparable. Said “night and day” to Veach after the throwing sessions with Johnston. Basically said Rice does everything Johnston does, plus a lot more…and that he does it better.

Pat fell in LOVE with Flowers, though. Absolutely loved him…and the feeling was mutual. When Mahomes talked to Brett about Flowers, he face timed him so he could see his smile. That was BVs target for the first round going into the draft. He tried moving up to every slot after 17 to try and get him, but no AFC teams would offer their pick without overcharging and the NFC teams either stayed out or also wanted above chart value to move down to 31 because of the drop off in talent moving that far back.

The final call to move up was to Baltimore and they laughed a little on the phone and said they are taking him if we don’t send 31 and 63. A drastic overcharge because that’s how they see the player.

So BV took Felix in the first and started making calls about moving up with the 100% intention of doing whatever it takes to get Rice. Even telling Clark he’s going to get “the kid from SMU” before round 2 started.

And an NFC team helped them get to 55 by taking exact chart value in the trade.

And Patrick Mahomes gets his young Deandre Hopkins in Rice.

What an amazing time to be a Chiefs fan.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up!

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, hypothetically anyway. i know we like hating on Alex, but in reality he wasn't any worse than Fitzpatrick/Savage, probably in some ways he was better than them. So I don't see how Alex couldn't be good enough to put the ball somewhere inside DHop's catch radius on a semi-consistent basis. And Hill was great, but he was also used mostly as a deep go-route type of WR at the time (not an Alex strength) and his catch radius is pretty small, not the two-car garage hemisphere that DHop's is.

The reason Pat thrived was that he could throw deep balls and had the balls to do so at any time, again not an Alex strength.

But Alex wouldn't be in that position with Deandre. Deandre could run every route at an elite level short-to-intermediate-to-long, and had a huge catch radius that Alex could take advantage of at all levels.

In fact, I'll go so far as to say that Hill wasn't much of a plus for Alex because Hill's elite attributes of speed and quickness didn't help Alex that much as an accurate short-to-intermediate level passer, which is exactly the kinds of routes that Deandre is exceptional at. Alex was most comfortable as a dink-and-dunk passer, something Deandre would've been a huge help with, while Hill was a deep route guy, a passer skillset that Alex didn't have, and so couldn't take proper advantage of.

Not hating on Alex at all. I actually liked him (not like the extreme Alex fans). I do understand that the 49ers were a hot mess and played a large role in why he never lived up to his draft status. I respect what he did in reviving this franchise after it's darkest time and for his mentorship of Mahomes. He was a class act and I highly respect that.

Now was he better than Fitzpatrick? I would say mean Smith was better. Fitzpatrick was such a streaky QB (Fitzmagic vs Fitztragic). Fitzpatrick at his best was better than Smith, but at his worst he was far worse than Smith. Now what hurt Smith was he lacked a killer instinct which came back to bite this team time and again in the playoffs. Hopkins would not have fixed that. Would he have been nice to have? Sure, but he couldn't fix what plagued KC before Mahomes.

[In58men]

Slow news day, discuss….






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[BryanBusby]

Would 100% flip a 1 for Mike Evans. No question.

Would be a SB guarantee type of move.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Would 100% flip a 1 for Mike Evans. No question.

Would be a SB guarantee type of move.

Rather have Godwin
https://heavy.com/sports/kansas-city...-chris-godwin/

[O.city]

Chiefs can't take on a WR contract right now. Need to develop what they've got.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by O.city

Chiefs can't take on a WR contract right now. Need to develop what they've got.

We are on Chris Jones extension away from being able to absorb...


HOWEVER I agree, after we drafted Skyy and Rice we are better off saving the cap for next year when Gay, Snead are FA's

[FloridaMan88]

Arizona is in full tank mode for Caleb Williams so Hopkins is definitely getting moved at some point… whether it is before or during the season.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

We are on Chris Jones extension away from being able to absorb...


HOWEVER I agree, after we drafted Skyy and Rice we are better off saving the cap for next year when Gay, Snead are FA's

If Snead isn't extended by start of season he is gone. He will be a top DB on the market.

Gay needs to prove he can play an entire season before giving him big $.

[Red Dawg]

Godwin and Evans are expensive. Would love one of them but that hurts Rice playing at all.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Rather have Godwin
https://heavy.com/sports/kansas-city...-chris-godwin/

Nah, I'd rather have Evans. What we need is a veteran stopgap. They're cheaper and easier to cut early, and it's obvious teams like Arizona and Tampa are more eager to cut them loose so they can get younger. And I'm way more comfortable with Evans over dhop. Our plan to stockpile young WRs is fine but it'll take time and you'll probably have some misses until you find your home runs.

That being said, I'm still stunned Tampa isn't just rebuilding this whole thing. I think they know the bar to compete in the NFC is so damn low that they're just gonna try to fix things. Not sure if either option is realistic.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Arizona is in full tank mode for Caleb Williams so Hopkins is definitely getting moved at some point… whether it is before or during the season.

Wouldn't count on it. The Cardinals are an extremely ****ing stupid franchise.