Do we want DeHop?

[ROYC75]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...9536dcd3&ei=21


Story by Andrew Gould




The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver, but they could reportedly make an elite offense even scarier by acquiring DeAndre Hopkins.

NFL insider Benjamin Albright told PHNX Cardinals that Kansas City is the "primary suitor" for Hopkins. He doesn't know the draft compensation the Cardinals would receive, but he said it's more likely they get a second-round pick than a first.

After the 2022 season, theScore's Jordan Schultz reported that the Cardinals plan to trade Hopkins this offseason.

Arizona hired a new general manager and head coach after a disappointing four-win season, and Hopkins is set to make $19.45 million (with a $30.75 million cap hit) in 2023. The Cardinals could seek a clean slate by moving the three-time All-Pro wideout, who turns 31 in June.

Hopkins began his Cardinals career by tallying 1,407 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. However, multiple lower body injuries limited him to 10 games in 2021, and he served a six-game suspension to start the 2022 season for violating the NFL's PED policy.

Yet he remains an impact player when on the field. Hopkins totaled 474 receiving yards in six full games with quarterback Kyler Murray last season.

Now imagine what he can accomplish when catching passes from Patrick Mahomes.

The Chiefs flourished without a star replacement for Tyreek Hill, but they could still benefit by solidifying the position this offseason. JuJu Smith-Schuster is a free agent after garnering 78 catches for 933 yards on a one-year deal. The depth chart features several talented question marks in Mecole Hardman, Kadarius Toney, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling.

Adding Hopkins could be great news for Kansas City, but terrible for all opposing defenses.
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Do we want a high priced prima donna?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Dude you can’t continually hand that shit out and then not take it in return. That’s not how this works.

I've said multiple times that I will eat crow if I'm wrong about Skyy.

The **** you was just because!

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I guess I just don't understand the fear of letting a few young WRs grow with Mahomes either.

This defense is going to be really ****ing good, and the running game has been solved with Pacheco. We have the support system to win while the young guys at WR grow.

I would love for young WRs to develop with Mahomes, but I want at least one of those receivers to have legit WR1 potential, and I don't think anyone currently on the team or practice squad has that potential.

I have no idea what Bretolli Veacharino has planned, but if Quinton Johnston or Smith-Njigba fall anywhere close to 18-20, I would be disappointed if we didn't try to move up and get one of them.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

No, im not acting like that at all. I continously point out that simple math suggests they will be adding bodies via a combo of a cheap vet and a draft pick at least. And the likely return of Justin Watson.

This is where I've been all along.

It's going to be fine. Unless Mahomes goes down, it'll be a top 5 offense without a doubt.

If the defense is better, then the team may well be better overall.

Sign a Marquez Callaway, bring back JWat, draft a guy by #63. With MVS, Skyy, and Toney, that'll do fine.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

I would love for young WRs to develop with Mahomes, but I want at least one of those receivers to have legit WR1 potential, and I don't think anyone currently on the team or practice squad has that potential.

I have no idea what Bretolli Veacharino has planned, but if Quinton Johnston or Smith-Njigba fall anywhere close to 18-20, I would be disappointed if we didn't try to move up and get one of them.

Toney certainly has that kind of potential, regardless of the injury concerns.

I don't think it's necessarily about having a bonafide WR1 though. Just have a good/deep group with diverse skill sets.

Keep drafting and developing young guys, and the WR1 stuff will sort itself out.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

This is where I've been all along.

It's going to be fine. Unless Mahomes goes down, it'll be a top 5 offense without a doubt.

If the defense is better, then the team may well be better overall.

Sign a Marquez Callaway, bring back JWat, draft a guy by #63. With MVS, Skyy, and Toney, that'll do fine.

Where you and I disagreed is that you believe(d) that the Chiefs would have no interest in OBJ/Dhop AT ALL, while i believed they would.

The difference being that $10M for Obj/Dhop, IMO, IS cheap.

While the Chiefs are looking for a $4m receiver...that's a different level of cheap.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Where you and I disagreed is that you believe(d) that the Chiefs would have no interest in OBJ/Dhop AT ALL, while i believed they would.

The difference being that $10M for Obj/Dhop, IMO, IS cheap.

While the Chiefs are looking for a $4m receiver...that's a different level of cheap.

Man, you keep saying this when we have no clue what the Chiefs are offering. It's a huge reach based on an OBJ tweet that didn't specify any team.

Maybe OBJ said that because that's the most ANYBODY was offering right now.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Where you and I disagreed is that you believe(d) that the Chiefs would have no interest in OBJ/Dhop AT ALL, while i believed they would.

The difference being that $10M for Obj/Dhop, IMO, IS cheap.

While the Chiefs are looking for a $4m receiver...that's a different level of cheap.

Especially seeing that Mecole got a deal that could go up to 6.5

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Man, you keep saying this when we have no clue what they Chiefs are offering. It's a huge reach based on an OBJ tweet that didn't specify any team.

We have $9M in cap space AFTER visiting bank of mahomes. Why would i assume they're offering anything greater?

It totally fits the Chiefs recent actions. There's even less reason to believe the Chiefs have offered more.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Maybe OBJ said that because that's the most ANYBODY was offering right now.

"Anybody" would include the Chiefs.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

Especially seeing that Mecole got a deal that could go up to 6.5

They're obviously not all that motivated to sign a FA WR.

Which tells me they're perfectly comfortable with Toney/Moore and then adding a guy or two in the draft.

/shrug.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

We have $9M in cap space AFTER visiting bank of mahomes. Why would i assume they're offering anything greater?

It totally fits the Chiefs recent actions. There's even less reason to believe the Chiefs have offered more.

That's not the point. OBJ was talking as if that's the most anybody is offering. Maybe, just maybe, a deal like that with incentives is all anybody is offering him right now.

Who are the teams that are out there offering OBJ and Hopkins all this money that the Chiefs aren't? That's my question.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

"Anybody" would include the Chiefs.

But if everybody else is offfering the same, how is that going to stop the Chiefs from getting him?

These guys can want all the money in the world, the market is still going to dictate what they actually get.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by staylor26

That's not the point. OBJ was talking as if that's the most anybody is offering. .

Right.

You asked me why i think the Chiefs offered $4M.

You're answering your own question here, dude.

If OBJ is talking as if that's the most anybody is offering, that would include the Chiefs.

So, logically, we can arrive at the conclusion that the Chiefs have not offered more than $4m, right?

Maybe he settles. Maybe a team like the Ravens and Jets swoop in and sweeten the deal, it's not like it'd take much.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

We have $9M in cap space AFTER visiting bank of mahomes. Why would i assume they're offering anything greater?

It totally fits the Chiefs recent actions. There's even less reason to believe the Chiefs have offered more.

Oh I seriously doubt they offered more.

In fact, I seriously doubt they offered anything. I'm sure they looked into both, talked a little about what their expectations were, let them know what we were looking to spend and went on their merry way.

Maybe a Callaway type, a JWat for insurance, draft a guy in the first couple of rounds and get on with our lives.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Right.

You asked me why i think the Chiefs offered $4M.

You're answering your own question here, dude.

If OBJ is talking as if that's the most anybody is offering, that would include the Chiefs.

So, logically, we can arrive at the conclusion that the Chiefs have not offered more than $4m, right?

Maybe he settles. Maybe a team like the Ravens and Jets swoop in and sweeten the deal, it's not like it'd take much.

But the implication was that the Chiefs are out here being cheap while everybody else is offering significantly more.

We don't know that the Chiefs are low balling OBJ any more than his other suitors. I'd argue that they're all doing the same based on his tweet.

And the Chiefs offer for OBJ who's much more of a gamble than Hopkins, doesn't mean that that's all they're willing to give Hopkins too.

You're making a lot of assumptions here.