Do we want DeHop?

[ROYC75]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...9536dcd3&ei=21


Story by Andrew Gould




The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver, but they could reportedly make an elite offense even scarier by acquiring DeAndre Hopkins.

NFL insider Benjamin Albright told PHNX Cardinals that Kansas City is the "primary suitor" for Hopkins. He doesn't know the draft compensation the Cardinals would receive, but he said it's more likely they get a second-round pick than a first.

After the 2022 season, theScore's Jordan Schultz reported that the Cardinals plan to trade Hopkins this offseason.

Arizona hired a new general manager and head coach after a disappointing four-win season, and Hopkins is set to make $19.45 million (with a $30.75 million cap hit) in 2023. The Cardinals could seek a clean slate by moving the three-time All-Pro wideout, who turns 31 in June.

Hopkins began his Cardinals career by tallying 1,407 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. However, multiple lower body injuries limited him to 10 games in 2021, and he served a six-game suspension to start the 2022 season for violating the NFL's PED policy.

Yet he remains an impact player when on the field. Hopkins totaled 474 receiving yards in six full games with quarterback Kyler Murray last season.

Now imagine what he can accomplish when catching passes from Patrick Mahomes.

The Chiefs flourished without a star replacement for Tyreek Hill, but they could still benefit by solidifying the position this offseason. JuJu Smith-Schuster is a free agent after garnering 78 catches for 933 yards on a one-year deal. The depth chart features several talented question marks in Mecole Hardman, Kadarius Toney, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling.

Adding Hopkins could be great news for Kansas City, but terrible for all opposing defenses.
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Do we want a high priced prima donna?

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Can you explain how a mid round selection is solid....

Hopkins or the next Kaindoh - you call it!

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Can you explain how a mid round selection is solid....

Yeah, I'm not sure about that contract being "bloated" either. Seems cheap to me as is but we would have to redo it to get him under the cap regardless.

Being 30 is about the only honest point of the 4 in that post.

[MVChiefFan]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

-30 years old
-Missed seven games last year
-Bloated contract
-Requires giving up a solid mid-round selection

This does not fit the profile of guys Veach likes to trade for. I'm not buying it unless ARZ absorbs a nice chunk of that contract. Clearly he's not who he once was.

He almost matched JJSS production in six fewer games and shit for QB’s. I wouldn’t be so quick to think he can’t produce at a high level.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't remember when/why I went down this rabbithole a few years back, but the bottom line was that Hopkins numbers didn't improve markedly when he went from Hoyer/Mallet to Watson. '14-'15 was virtually identical to '18-'19 for him. And likely would've been better but/for Andre Johnson getting a massive target share in '14.

And as I noted then, that's often the case for possession receivers. They don't need brilliant QB play to fight off someone for the ball. In fact, oftentimes the opposite is true and better QB play negatively impacts their numbers as they aren't having passes forced to them in traffic.

I mean if you truly think that Hopkins will age like some of the all-time superstar receivers did, you should really have no problem taking on that $20 million figure this season, extending him AND giving up a 2nd for him. But I don't think you actually feel like that's the case.

There's a disconnect between "I'd give a 3 and restructure his deal" and "He's going to age like Jerry Rice..."

I'm not going to argue whether he's going to age like Jerry Rice. Only guy I've ever seen do anything like that was TO. That's unicorn stuff.

However, other great WRs have had consistent success past 30, a large number of them in fact. Especially possession-type receivers, because usually their footwork and hands don't fade like speed does.

And Dhop posted 3 consecutive 1,000+ yard seasons with Watson, who isn't elite either, just more mobile than any QB he had prior. Even Watson's accuracy wasn't a huge step up from previous HOU QBs.

Also, watch any DHop highlight reel. Look who he's playing against. It's a who's who of the best DBs in the league. You can actually type in "Hopkins vs." on YT and it's like a library of the best DBs in the league.

Revis, Ramsey, Peterson, R. Sherman, D. Ward, Lattimore, D. Hall, Bouye, X. Howard, Gilmore, McCourty, Tre White . . . And he beats all of them.

And the thing that kind of blows my mind is that he does it over and over in spite of the terrible throws from his QB most of the time (whichever crappy one happens to be throwing in the moment). I mean, not only does he have to find ways to beat all of the best DBs just to get open, but he also has to deal with the shitty passes at the same time.

i said it two or three years ago in some GDT, that DHop would have at least 25%-30% more yards and TDs if Watson could ever place the ball consistently. But too often the pass was too high (so Deandre had to jump for it), down at his ankles, too far out in front (so he had to lay out for it), too far to the outside, behind him, etc. In that game there were at least 4-5 passes that could've gone for a lot more yards or a TD except the placement (or lack of) forced Hopkins to make some crazy athletic play just to snag it, and he never got the chance to RAC.

So personally, I don't have a problem with paying him $19M/$14M (restructured, of course) for the next two seasons (I'm of course assuming he'd be healthy).

The draft capital is a little different. If KC wasn't in serious need of both a quality OT and EDGE this season, I wouldn't have much trouble giving up even a 2nd, because the 64th pick isn't that great anyway. But we are in that spot, so it's tougher to be okay with a 2nd. A 3rd (96th?), I've already said a couple times in this thread I'd do that. There's no one in this draft that's going to come close to replicating what DHop can do in 2023. Maybe we draft a guy that grows into a great WR by 2024 or 2025. But that's still a roll of the dice. There's a better than even chance that doesn't happen.

Hopkins is elite right now. He's played in 91% of all possible games in his career. He's had just two serious injuries that kept him from playing in ten years, and it wasn't the same injury twice, like it was with Odell. The meniscus is apparently repaired already. And his ACL held up.

There's an argument that could be made that DHop is currently available at a small discount, considering what he's capable of, and what Adams/Hill went for last season.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Can you explain how a mid round selection is solid....

Sneed, Joshua Williams, and Leo Chenal.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

Sneed, Joshua Williams, and Leo Chenal.

ToM bRadY can be found in the 6th!

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

Sneed, Joshua Williams, and Leo Chenal.

So you'd rather use our 1 on a WR then?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by MVChiefFan

He almost matched JJSS production in six fewer games and shit for QB’s. I wouldn’t be so quick to think he can’t produce at a high level.

He did it with Kyler, David Blough, McSorley and Colt McCoy. And if he hadn't been suspended for 6 games, he would've gone over 1,200 yards.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by Mecca

But you know what fits the model, going into the season with a shit show at WR right?

You do realize the draft has some good WR's right.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

ToM bRadY can be found in the 6th!

Our QB is pretty decent actually

Pacheco and Watson were found in the 7th.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

Sneed, Joshua Williams, and Leo Chenal.

You can do that for other players too. Nnadi, O'Daniel or Watts.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

You do realize the draft has some good WR's right.

Sure but if you are gonna spend one of your high picks on a WR either way, why not trade for the proven commodity?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

You do realize the draft has some good WR's right.

It also has some VERY good edge prospects, some DT's, and lots of defensive backs. We only have so many picks, you can't fill every hole through the draft.

The Chiefs aren't going to put all their eggs in the draft basket. There's another vet or 2 coming in, whether it's via trade or signing.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It also has some VERY good edge prospects, some DT's, and lots of defensive backs. We only have so many picks, you can't fill every hole through the draft.

The Chiefs aren't going to put all their eggs in the draft basket. There's another vet or 2 coming in, whether it's via trade or signing.

The last thing you wanna do is pigeon hole yourself into, we have to take a WR first.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

Our QB is pretty decent actually

Pacheco and Watson were found in the 7th.

And Breeland Speaks was found in the 2nd. You can cherry pick until your face turns blue, the simple fact is that you've settled on only one way to fill the roster. That's NEVER a good idea, for any team.