Do we want DeHop?

[ROYC75]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...9536dcd3&ei=21


Story by Andrew Gould




The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver, but they could reportedly make an elite offense even scarier by acquiring DeAndre Hopkins.

NFL insider Benjamin Albright told PHNX Cardinals that Kansas City is the "primary suitor" for Hopkins. He doesn't know the draft compensation the Cardinals would receive, but he said it's more likely they get a second-round pick than a first.

After the 2022 season, theScore's Jordan Schultz reported that the Cardinals plan to trade Hopkins this offseason.

Arizona hired a new general manager and head coach after a disappointing four-win season, and Hopkins is set to make $19.45 million (with a $30.75 million cap hit) in 2023. The Cardinals could seek a clean slate by moving the three-time All-Pro wideout, who turns 31 in June.

Hopkins began his Cardinals career by tallying 1,407 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. However, multiple lower body injuries limited him to 10 games in 2021, and he served a six-game suspension to start the 2022 season for violating the NFL's PED policy.

Yet he remains an impact player when on the field. Hopkins totaled 474 receiving yards in six full games with quarterback Kyler Murray last season.

Now imagine what he can accomplish when catching passes from Patrick Mahomes.

The Chiefs flourished without a star replacement for Tyreek Hill, but they could still benefit by solidifying the position this offseason. JuJu Smith-Schuster is a free agent after garnering 78 catches for 933 yards on a one-year deal. The depth chart features several talented question marks in Mecole Hardman, Kadarius Toney, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling.

Adding Hopkins could be great news for Kansas City, but terrible for all opposing defenses.
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Do we want a high priced prima donna?

[emaw1979]

If we are going to spend precious cap space on a WR then I'd rather sign OBJ. He's not going to cost a valuable pick.

[Easy 6]

The DeHop Meter is still saying NOPE

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It doesn't matter if Hopkins=Hill, in relative terms, they're the same. A huge cap hit WR that means you either force feed them the ball or are poor cap value. A return to 'stars and scrubs'. A huge cap hit that means you almost certainly have to cut MVS (or other players) which weakens your overall team in a year where we're paying more than 20% of our cap to the QB.

DHop averages about 8 tgts/gm. So, don't see why you'd have to force-feed him the ball. He allows Andy to dictate terms to the defense in ways he couldn't this season. And his cap hit can be structured.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

'Andy's directive' as you call it would always be in play, but not in the way you and so many others are thinking. You do a Hopkins deal, you're ****ing your team two years down the road. We'll certainly add weapons, but it will be in the draft, and we'll develop them, because we HAVE TO.

This isn't realistic. Depending solely on the draft to develop high echelon players is what NE did. They produced no quality offensive players in that time. Now, I believe Andy/Veach can do better, but opting to ignore perfectly good, reasonably pirced offensive talent just because we didn't draft them is not very intelligent.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

If we're going to throw money around, do it where it really can make a difference; finish shoring up the offensive line and get yourself at least one upgrade at OT. It would be nice to watch a healthy Mahomes in the Super Bowl for a change.

We're going to need to live and die by the draft for a couple of years here. Fortunately, Veach has done exceptionally well these last couple of drafts, and there's every reason to believe that we'll continue to do well there-no matter what you say about it. We have a GM, head coach and offensive system, defensive coordinator and system well entrenched and in tune with each other. That's why these last couple of drafts have gone so well, it's not magic, it's experience and knowing exactly who fits and who doesn't.

Here's the thing, and this is all I'm really doing here, because I've already said multiple times that I don't think DHop will be a Chief.

The thread title is "Do we WANT DHop?" I think the answer should be yes, no question. The value of his performance on the field is obvious, or should be. He's a prototypical WCO WR. He's exactly what Bill Walsh would've wanted, period. Next, he would take some of the pressure off Kelce to be Superman in every big game. thirdly, he'd get open early and Mahomes wouldn't have to run so much. Fourth, he could be a great influence on our young WR room.

Now, you want to bring up the cap hit, which has legs (and is the number one reason I don't think he's going to be a Chief), and for some reason how it would force Pat to throw umpteen hundred balls at him, and mess up the offense. This is just speculation, especially the second part. You also want to have blind faith that we'll just draft and develop enough top-tier WR talent through the draft for the next two or three seasons, in spite of the fact that we're drawing from the bottom of the pile, and will be for the foreseeable future. That's not a great recipe for success. It's not impossible, but the odds aren't stacked in our favor by any means.

And it strikes me as odd that you think Veach will just eternally pull rabbits out of his ass every year. Probability doesn't exactly support the notion, for any GM in history. Veach has done extremely well over the last two drafts, but it's a safer bet to believe that the math will catch up to him eventually and he won't draft quite so many solid players each and every year. Some years he'll do better than others. That's just the cold math of it.

Anyway, my function here is to build DHop's value through facts with as little speculation as possible, in response to the OP, in order to carry on the conversation. Your job (and others) is to diminish his value, I guess.

And why am I playing DA?

Because it's going to be a long offseason. I need something to amuse myself other than Jackson Mahomes doing stupid shit, et al.

[kysirsoze]

I would say no I think, but if Veach made the move I'd be excited as **** to see DHop in a Chiefs uniform. Continuing the pipeline of productive rookies is how I'm hoping things go, but man Hopkins is so ****ing good.

[Mecca]

Some of you guys are gonna be really disappointed when you find out hitting on 80% of your draft picks is unlikely to happen again in the next decade.

[emaw1979]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Some of you guys are gonna be really disappointed when you find out hitting on 80% of your draft picks is unlikely to happen again in the next decade.

Can't hit on a pick if you don't have one. (2nd rounder +)

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by emaw1979

Can't hit on a pick if you don't have one. (2nd rounder +)

Once again I doubt he goes for a 2.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

DHop averages about 8 tgts/gm. So, don't see why you'd have to force-feed him the ball. He allows Andy to dictate terms to the defense in ways he couldn't this season. And his cap hit can be structured.



This isn't realistic. Depending solely on the draft to develop high echelon players is what NE did. They produced no quality offensive players in that time. Now, I believe Andy/Veach can do better, but opting to ignore perfectly good, reasonably pirced offensive talent just because we didn't draft them is not very intelligent.



Here's the thing, and this is all I'm really doing here, because I've already said multiple times that I don't think DHop will be a Chief.

The thread title is "Do we WANT DHop?" I think the answer should be yes, no question. The value of his performance on the field is obvious, or should be. He's a prototypical WCO WR. He's exactly what Bill Walsh would've wanted, period. Next, he would take some of the pressre off Kelce to be Superman in every big game. thirdly, he'd get open early and Mahomes wuldn't have to run so much. Fourth, he could be a great influence on our young WR room.

Now, you want to bring up the cap hit, which has legs (and is the number one reason I don't think he's going to be a Chief), and for some reason how it would force Pat to throw umpteen hundred balls at him, and mess up the offense. This is just speculation, especially the second part. You also want to have blind faith that we'll just draft and develop enough top-tier WR talent through the draft for the next two or three seasons, in spite of the fact that we're drawing from the bottom of the pile, and will be for the foreseeable future. That's not a great recipe for success. It's not impossible, but the odds aren't stacked in our favor by any means.

And it strikes me as odd that you think Veach will just eternally pull rabbits out of his ass every year. Probability doesn't exactly support the notion, for any GM in history. Veach has done extremely well over the last two drafts, but it's a safer bet to believe that the math will catch up to him eventually and he won't draft quite so many solid players each and every year. Some years he'll do better than others. That's just the cold math of it.

Anyway, my function here is to build DHop's value through facts with as little speculation as possible, in response to the OP, in order to carry on the conversation. Your job (and others) is to diminish his value, I guess.

And why am I playing DA?

Because it's going to be a long offseason. I need something to amuse myself other than Jackson Mahomes doing stupid shit, et al.

I believe in building through the draft and using resources smartly but some have turned what happened last year into a religion.

You must only use the draft.

You can't pay anyone $$$ over 30.


We can spin our wheels here all off-season debating this but I'm pretty sure our FO isn't as inflexible as some of our fans.

They were going to pay Hill big $$$$, just not the $$$$ Hill wanted.

[Mecca]

I don't remotely think the Chiefs front office thinks they'll just hit on their picks all the time and don't need to explore trades or FA.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

We’re at almost 600 posts so I guess we have to get him now. Otherwise we’ve all wasted our time expressing our feelings in this here thread on ChiefsPlanet.com, my favorite place to discuss Chiefs’ related issues.

[ForeverIowan]

Deandre Hopkins has a very legitimate chance to go down as a top 5ish receiver to ever play the game. EVER!

For those that dont agree, take away Jerry Rice, Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson. Tell me who else had a clear-cut more accomplished career at 30 years of age. His numbers are right there with ANYONE else you can name. Anyone!

Now do me another favor, google career stats and see what kind of years all the greats had at 31, 32 and 33 years of age. Seriously take 5 minutes to look. 95% of these dudes had multiple ENORMOUS years in their early 30s. Rice, Moss, Owens, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith, Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Cris Carter.

The only "greats" who didnt have monster years in their early 30s were Meagtron who retired at 30. I think we can all agree had Megatron decided to continue to play he wouldve had several more huge years. The second is Julio Jones whose body flat out broke down.

The fact that we are arguing over a 2nd round pick in order to acquire an all-time great is utterly absurd. You want a 3-peat? Trade for DHop! Want a chance to go down as the greatest dynasty ever? Trade for DHop! If you can make the cap work? Trade for DHop! No brainer.

And to end this "debate", a look back at every 2nd round pick KC has made since 2000: William Bartee, Eddie Freeman, Kawika Mitchell, Junior Siavii, Kris Wilson, Bernard Pollard, Turk McBride, Brandon Flowers, Dexter McCluster, Javier Arenas, Rodney Hudson, Jeff Allen, Mitch Morse, Chris Jones, Tanoh, Breeland Speaks, Hardman, Thornhill, Gay, Bolton, Humphrey. How many of those dudes have been pillars of our franchise? At best a 20% hit rate. Everyone else complete busts or JAGs.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by kccrow

No, I wouldn't.

Would you bring in D-Hop to replace Hardman's role?

Probably not. Why would you take away the guy that was brought in to do exactly that?

Rolf youve got to be shitting me

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Some of you guys are gonna be really disappointed when you find out hitting on 80% of your draft picks is unlikely to happen again in the next decade.

Its more luck than anything. Sure some of it is Veach knowing his shit but you can be the best GM and just get really unlucky. Conversely you can be a shitty GM and throw shit at the wall and get lucky. Its not an exact science

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

This is what I really just don't get at all.

Why on Earth would you pay top dawg money for a WR that hasn't played a game in over a year? you have no idea whether he can play a single down right now.

I mean, when I buy a truck, and up until last year i bought them all used. All 5 of them. And one thing for sure, I drive the ****ing thing first before I even think about wanting to buy it. I am not dropping actual money on a daily truck without knowing it will start, run down the street, go down the highway for a piece, up a hill, down a dirt road. Then I think about whether I'm buying.

And for certain I'm not buying a truck from the former owner when he tells me, "hey, the tranny went bad on it two years ago, but I had it repaired, and it should drive fine. I personally haven't taken it out for an actual drive, just up and down the driveway, but I'm pretty sure it'll go down the road okay."

Dhop has been largely healthy outside of what? Two injuries? Not the same injury twice (seems i know a WR that did exactly that?), but two different injuries? So, I know DHop will be available week 1. I'm at least 90% certain of it. And I saw him play at a high level just a couple months ago.

Will OBJ? Has anyone seen him even run full speed in over a year? Run a route? Jump? And the fool wants like $20M just so someone can find out if he might be able to play?

Nope. I'm all the way out on that.

I'm talking about getting him for what he's worth. Like a JJSS contract. No one is gonna give him anything close to $20 mil/yr, so if that's legit what he wants and won't accept less than he just won't be in the league.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I'm talking about getting him for what he's worth. Like a JJSS contract. No one is gonna give him anything close to $20 mil/yr, so if that's legit what he wants and won't accept less than he just won't be in the league.

What's a truck worth if you don't know if it will run?