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Old 01-30-2023, 05:54 PM  
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Joe "Cool" and being elite? Yeah, no.
I admit I realize I have been overestimating him like many others. He is quite good but elite he is not and he definitely hasn't earned his "cool" moniker. And I have heard multiple pundits now say, even after yesterday he is a better QB than Mahomes, but Mahomes is the better player. Talk about moving the goalposts to fit your narrative.

I will give him credit for the Brady comparison though as he has absolutely been carried by his defense and luck like Brady was in his earlier years in winning playoff games. But Burrow isn't as clutch as Brady was even back then.

And for those who think he is even close to Mahomes:

Burrow 0 times 30 point postseason games to Mahomes 8
300 yard games is 1 to 7
TD drives in fourth quarter is a whopping 0 to 14

Good old Nick Wright has more in the video but here is a picture with the most relevant part of Burrow's fourth quarter stats in the postseason. It's remarkable the Bengals have won any games honestly in the postseason.

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Old 01-31-2023, 07:12 AM   #91
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They beat us three straight times, including two at Arrowhead, and then we finally win another 3 point game and Joe Burrow isn't elite?

I'm not going to go there. Guy is a baller and plays great.

Let's not get so cocky so soon. That's the mistake the Bengals just made.
They’ve won 1 at Arrowhead (“22 AFCCG), which is why the Burrowhead comment was ALWAYS asinine.

And yes, Burrow is absolutely an elite QB, but a step below Mahomes who is otherworldly.
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Old 01-31-2023, 07:14 AM   #92
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What about the standard of playing well when it matters most? It’s odd to me how easily people want to gloss over his post season (fourth quarter especially) performance so far.
The guy's in his third year. If that's what it looks like in year 10, you've got a legit argument.
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Old 01-31-2023, 07:19 AM   #93
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Old 01-31-2023, 07:21 AM   #94
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The guy's in his third year. If that's what it looks like in year 10, you've got a legit argument.

To me “elite” is earned. He has elite potential and some great abilities and I think is probably the second best QB at the moment but that doesn’t automatically mean he is elite. I think him being second best though is a function of his play combined with maybe the largest collection of young QBs ever not being currently challenged with established veterans still playing really well.
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He's very good, but to consider him elite, I want to see how he handles not having a stacked roster once they have to start paying people. If he's still making deep runs with lesser talent around him, then I would definitely put him in the elite category
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Old 01-31-2023, 07:36 AM   #96
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To me “elite” is earned. He has elite potential and some great abilities and I think is probably the second best QB at the moment but that doesn’t automatically mean he is elite. I think him being second best though is a function of his play combined with maybe the largest collection of young QBs ever not being currently challenged with established veterans still playing really well.
Then you have an absurd bar for 'elite'.

If a guy is probably the second best QB, that's elite, no question.

I figure that at any point in time, there are 5 guys on the planet that play NFL QB at an 'elite' level. Some guys are perennial, some guys have a flash year, some guys age off of it or are injured and never regain it.

If Burrow is QB2, and I think he is, then that is elite.
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Then you have an absurd bar for 'elite'.

If a guy is probably the second best QB, that's elite, no question.

I figure that at any point in time, there are 5 guys on the planet that play NFL QB at an 'elite' level. Some guys are perennial, some guys have a flash year, some guys age off of it or are injured and never regain it.

If Burrow is QB2, and I think he is, then that is elite.

Being a top regular season QB doesn’t make you elite.
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Old 01-31-2023, 08:29 AM   #98
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He might be elite but I'll never admit it because **** the Bengals
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Wut? They haven't beaten us twice at Arrowhead
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They’ve won 1 at Arrowhead (“22 AFCCG), which is why the Burrowhead comment was ALWAYS asinine.

And yes, Burrow is absolutely an elite QB, but a step below Mahomes who is otherworldly.
Yes, I meant two AFC Championships. Thanks for the correction.
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Old 01-31-2023, 08:40 AM   #100
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Joe i a really good QB but like Brady he must have things be perfect. OL, Running game, defense and top talent. He won't make it happen.
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Old 01-31-2023, 08:43 AM   #101
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In a universe where Mahomes played baseball, Joe Burrow is the best QB in the NFL.

Unfortunately for Joe, that's not this world.
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Some people just hate winners. Especially when it's not your team or they compete with your team yearly.

Joe passes the eye test. He has changed the outlook of the Bengals franchise.
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Burrow is dangerous enough that we can't play around in off-season.

He will get his OL solidified.

We need another pass-rusher and 1 more coverage safety for me to breathe easier on defense.

If we don't do that, I'm also fine with adding another OL and a top weapon and just letting Mahomes score 35+ a game.
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Being a top regular season QB doesn’t make you elite.
guy's taken a perennial bottom feeder team to two AFCCG's in three seasons, and won one of them.

You're bonkers.

He's unquestionably elite. You have no idea what you're looking at if you watch him play, look at that accuracy and think he's not elite.

Bonkers.
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Joe has played one good post season game. Then rest the defense carried them in reality.
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