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Old 11-07-2022, 01:21 AM  
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Toub sucks
I know Reid will never get rid of him, but he's the most overrated coach I've ever seen. Every game has some kind of special teams gaffe, and it's been that way for way for several years.
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:40 PM   #16
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I'm glad someone else said it! I've felt this way for a while! He's definitely to blame for sending Moore out to return kicks! I realize that it's not his fault that we have Butlicker as our kicker but come on....any idiot can see that he's definitely not AUTOMATIC when it comes to extra points when he should be! Not to mention his missed field goal attempts! I was glad we had the replacement kickers for a while! Even if one of them cost us the game! Butlicker has cost us at least 4 points per game in the past! We won those games thanks to the offe! You know it's true!
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:44 PM   #17
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How are those ranked? I'd bet he gets ranked so high just based on name recognition.

Like I'd say right now the only good part of our special teams is Townsend. Other than that, we're not kicking the ball well, our punt and kick returns are usually ass.

What's he doing that other ST coordinators aren't?
I'll have to see if I can find all the info. I see Twisted already put down the DVOA stuff.

I saw a next gen stats a few weeks ago where they ranked all the ST coordinators on a +/- scale with -1.5 being the worst and 1.5 being the best (zero obviously league average). Toub was a +1.29.
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:50 PM   #18
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Outside of in the moment anger, no, I don't think he's all that bad, but I also don't think he's the GOAT ST coordinator as some like to crown him. Had the benefit of a to be HOF in Hester returning kicks the vast majority of the time in Chicago and while the blocking definitely helped some the kicks he'd break with the tiniest of creases were all him.
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:52 PM   #19
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You do realize there are more aspects to special teams than just coverage right? I believe he's referring to Butlickers miss field goals and extra points!
yes, toub controls butker's leg

come off it guys

toub made a mistake with skyy that cost the chiefs one game, he has corrected that vector

the rest of the year his unit has been just fine, and pacheco is trending upwards as a kick returner finally

i'd bet anyone here we finish in the top 10 of ST rankings by season's end
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:58 PM   #21
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I know Reid will never get rid of him, but he's the most overrated coach I've ever seen. Every game has some kind of special teams gaffe, and it's been that way for way for several years.
Is this a real post? What a dipshit.
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Old 11-07-2022, 05:00 PM   #22
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I'm glad someone else said it! I've felt this way for a while! He's definitely to blame for sending Moore out to return kicks! I realize that it's not his fault that we have Butlicker as our kicker but come on....any idiot can see that he's definitely not AUTOMATIC when it comes to extra points when he should be! Not to mention his missed field goal attempts! I was glad we had the replacement kickers for a while! Even if one of them cost us the game! Butlicker has cost us at least 4 points per game in the past! We won those games thanks to the offe! You know it's true!
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First, I posted Toub's rankings amongst special teams coordinators. What about their methodology do you disagree with? What coordinator do you think is available that would do a better job? I await your responses.

Second, you literally said you preferred our back-up kickers this season to Butker. That may be the stupidest thing ever posted on this site.
Gave you a thumb's up.

But you know damned well that's not even close to the stupidest thing we've seen someone post on here. We had a whole thread of dipshit posts last season, starting with "never going to sniff the playoffs," or whatever that gem was.
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Wait, wait, wait...extra points are automatic? I believe they moved the extra point back a few yards from the old days.
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Main thing that drives me nuts with Toub is him having teams that year after year, will refuse to take a touchback. And then when they don't take the touchback, it feels like at least a 50% shot they will get a penalty, after not running it to even the 20. Like we just have to make everything as difficult for Mahomes as we possibly can at all times.
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Old 11-07-2022, 08:31 PM   #26
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What a stupid thread
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