Chiefs Kadarius Toney's role this season & stat predictions? - Page 8

BWillie · 10-27-2022, 05:23 PM

We have a bye week so that's good but everyone knows Reids playbook isn't the easiest for new WRs. What does everyone think his role will be immediately? What about at the end of the year? How many snaps will he have vs the Titans?

Some think he's just an option for 2023 and beyond but if the Chiefs gave up a late 3rd and 6th for him perhaps they are envisioning more.

Megatron96 · 10-31-2022, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa

How reliable are these so-called advanced analytics for ST coaches, though? Are they baseball WAR reliable or like, PFF QB rankings reliable? I'm not familiar with them at all, but based on how often Toub's teams seem to **** up, I'm deeply skeptical.

Homework doesn't help much if the teacher is drunk all the time...

Be skeptical all you want.

Even better, watch just about any other team's ST play for 4 weeks. It's mostly a shitshow out there in the NFL. And nearly every team in the league would love to have Toub on their staff.

Megatron96 · 10-31-2022, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

I want this guy to be good so bad.

I think everyone does.

The nice part is that if he turns out to be a bust, we're not out anything of significance. It's like getting a free bet.

dlphg9 · 10-31-2022, 06:16 PM

At first I was like there is no way Toney is returning punts and kickoffs because he had 1 punt return in NY, but he returned kickoffs and punts every year in college. Pacheco hadnt returned kicks since his freshmen year and they didn't have a problem letting him return kicks.

So will they have him returning kicks, because if he doesn't I think that means they think he might actually contribute on offense and want him focusing on the playbook.

dlphg9 · 10-31-2022, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Be skeptical all you want.

Even better, watch just about any other team's ST play for 4 weeks. It's mostly a shitshow out there in the NFL. And nearly every team in the league would love to have Toub on their staff.

Yeah, kinda weird for someone to bitch about the ST Coordinator because of a couple muffed punts.

All I know is absolutely nothing about analyzing specials teams, so I'll defer to the vast vast vast majority of people that say he's the best special teams coach in the league.

Megatron96 · 10-31-2022, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

At first I was like there is no way Toney is returning punts and kickoffs because he had 1 punt return in NY, but he returned kickoffs and punts every year in college. Pacheco hadnt returned kicks since his freshmen year and they didn't have a problem letting him return kicks.

So will they have him returning kicks, because if he doesn't I think that means they think he might actually contribute on offense and want him focusing on the playbook.

All depends on how he performs in practice. But I read somewhere that Toney has just one more return than Skyy or something like that.

Like I said earlier, some guys just can't reliably catch a kick.

Megatron96 · 10-31-2022, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Yeah, kinda weird for someone to bitch about the ST Coordinator because of a couple muffed punts.

All I know is absolutely nothing about analyzing specials teams, so I'll defer to the vast vast vast majority of people that say he's the best special teams coach in the league.

CP needs something to bitch about. Probably nothing more complicated than that.

Heck, just the few pieces of primetime games I've seen this season tells you that we're pretty buttoned up on ST vs. the rest of the league. The only team with a better kicker situation than KC is BAL, and that's only because they have Tucker. Outside of Tucker, they don't do anything better than KC does ST-wise.

And every other special-teams unit in the league is far below KC's, year in and year out. Basically, our ST unit is boring. They do their jobs every game. We've had a couple miscues this season and a bit last season, but we've also had a little merry-go-round with our returners during the same period. We got spoiled because for awhile there Tyreek was our returner and the whole time he was doing it he only made like two mistakes, and otherwise he did something special every other time he caught it. After that it was a carousel of rookies, including Hardman, so of course CP went nuclear every time Hardman didn't run one back for a TD (as if Hill did, but rose-colored glasses). Heck, one game I remember a couple years back people were upset with Hardman because he waved for a fair catch maybe a smidge early.

Mostly CP is populated with some good to great football minds, but sometimes CP gets pretty stupid about dumb shit as well.

Simply Red · 10-31-2022, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Will he even be active vs Tennessee?

Lol - I heard December

Chiefshrink · 10-31-2022, 09:13 PM

Role ??? To be a Tyreek type of decoy with a few plays here and there and be another great return guy.

Chiefshrink · 10-31-2022, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I'd give him KR & PR duties immediately, and develop a sweep and pass play for him his first week. Let him know he's got a place on this team and we've got him in mind.

BINGO !!

DenverChief · 10-31-2022, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I'd give him KR & PR duties immediately, and develop a sweep and pass play for him his first week. Let him know he's got a place on this team and we've got him in mind.

Yes. One or two well timed offensive plays that maximize his skills set and KR/PR

dlphg9 · 10-31-2022, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

All depends on how he performs in practice. But I read somewhere that Toney has just one more return than Skyy or something like that.

Like I said earlier, some guys just can't reliably catch a kick.

What I was getting at is Toney had a lot of returns in college. As a senior he had 7 kick returns and 11 punt returns. Moore and Pacheco didn't have hardly any in college. Moore with 1 punt return and 3 kick returns in his 3 years of college. Moore sucks shit at punt returning and they keep running him out there. Pacheco hadn't returned any kicks since his freshmen year.

Originally I thought there was a very small chance of him returning kicks or punts based on him having 1 return while with the Giants.

Moore has 12 punt returns for 84 yards. His 7 yards per return is like 35th in the league. His long of 15 is also 35th in the league. On top of being awful at it he's had 1 costly fumble and the other easily could have ****ed us over.

So with Moore being atrocious and a liability, then that definitely increases the chances of Toney returning punts for us. Add in the fact that Toney returned a bunch of kicks in college and it should be a no brainer.

Megatron96 · 10-31-2022, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

What I was getting at is Toney had a lot of returns in college. As a senior he had 7 kick returns and 11 punt returns. Moore and Pacheco didn't have hardly any in college. Moore with 1 punt return and 3 kick returns in his 3 years of college. Moore sucks shit at punt returning and they keep running him out there. Pacheco hadn't returned any kicks since his freshmen year.

Originally I thought there was a very small chance of him returning kicks or punts based on him having 1 return while with the Giants.

Moore has 12 punt returns for 84 yards. His 7 yards per return is like 35th in the league. His long of 15 is also 35th in the league. On top of being awful at it he's had 1 costly fumble and the other easily could have ****ed us over.

So with Moore being atrocious and a liability, then that definitely increases the chances of Toney returning punts for us. Add in the fact that Toney returned a bunch of kicks in college and it should be a no brainer.

Ah, gotcha.

DenverChief · 11-04-2022, 10:53 PM

Sunday stat prediction

20 yds on PR
15 yards rushing
25 yards receiving

DenverChief · 11-13-2022, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

Sunday stat prediction

20 yds on PR
15 yards rushing
25 yards receiving

I was off by one week. But he will get more touches as the weeks roll on.

11 yds on PR
33 yds rushing
57 yds recieving

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I’m gonna say

800 all purpose yards

350 receiving
250 rushing
200 Punt returns

6 total TDs (one PR)

Still think he could easily make these #s.

Megatron96 · 11-13-2022, 03:27 PM

I really hope JJSS is okay. But that was a bad concussion, so I won't be surprised if hes out a couple weeks.

That said, Kad is probably going to get a lot more playing time and targets if JJSS doesn't suit up next week. Going to need his particular skills vs. that LAC pass rush.

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10-31-2022, 06:16 PM	#108
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1400347	At first I was like there is no way Toney is returning punts and kickoffs because he had 1 punt return in NY, but he returned kickoffs and punts every year in college. Pacheco hadnt returned kicks since his freshmen year and they didn't have a problem letting him return kicks. So will they have him returning kicks, because if he doesn't I think that means they think he might actually contribute on offense and want him focusing on the playbook.
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Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: North Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1719600	I really hope JJSS is okay. But that was a bad concussion, so I won't be surprised if hes out a couple weeks. That said, Kad is probably going to get a lot more playing time and targets if JJSS doesn't suit up next week. Going to need his particular skills vs. that LAC pass rush. __________________ *“Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals believe them.”*- George Orwell Steven "Spags" Spagnuolo is my Adopt-A-Chief!!!
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