Chiefs We haven't argued in a while: nearly every Chiefs podcast is wrong, I think. - Page 12

Direckshun · 03:01 PM

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Almost all the time I spend exercising or working alone or driving, I'm dialing up a Chiefs podcast. I listen to more than most: Time's Ours, Locked On, It's Always Sunny In Chiefs Kingdom, KCSN, 4th and 1, Arrowhead Addict, Arrowhead Pride, Roughing the Kicker. I don't catch all of it but I catch a lot of it.

And this past week, after breaking down the roster, several of these podcasts are, I think, overshooting what the '22 Chiefs may be capable of.

These podcasters -- with the lone exception of Nick Jacobs, whose opinions I find pretty "grounded" -- are all predicting a Super Bowl season. And while that's to be expected of Chiefs-friendly media, it sure as **** makes Chiefs Kingdom toxic by Week 10 as the Chiefs are, say, 5-4 and still trying to get their roster figured out. "We should be the go away favorites for the 1 seed!" we're all being primed to spout in November, when the Chiefs may be trying to just hold onto the AFCW. I just listened to three straight Chiefs podcasts predict the Super Bowl unanimously among their hosts, including KC Lab on KCSN, which is normally more grounded. Maybe Kissel's infected them, I don't know.

I appreciate optimism, but routinely predicting a 13-4 or 14-3 schedule against a bear of a calendar with a rookie secondary and a DL held together with scotch tape is irresponsible. Argue all you want that podcasts have no responsibility, and legally you're right. But if you want to be seen as credible, then c'mon now. Anchor yourselves.

I volunteer as tribute as the Chiefs fan on this board who thinks the Chiefs are going to be very, very good this year but on the outside looking in when it comes to the Super Bowl. Pat Kirwan is one of my favorite analysts and he famously (to me) said on Moving the Chains that "you get two ifs, and that's it." And I think this team exceeds two ifs before we're just pie-in-the-sky dreaming.

Mahomes and Reid are Mahomes and Reid. They are incredible, and when they're clicking, unstoppable. Kelce is a top 3 TE all time. JuJu, Watson, McKinnon, Fortson all have a good rapport with him right now. But it is not yet clear to me that this receiving corps can improve or even match the incredible work Tyreek put in last year. Coming as a guy who hates Tyreek's guts as a human being, there's no question he is just a cheat code who can do things nobody else can do and that there are few answers for. I think the logic of having a team with a ton of options for Mahomes makes sense. But this team is going to have to give MVS a lot of snaps to justify his contract, and I'm not high on him. Skyy and Mecole are a rookie and Mecole. JuJu looks like a damn steal, but all these things in the aggregate... I'm not sure they match what Hill did.

It's possible though, because Mahomes and Reid.

The secondary has a lot of promise, but we're completely lying to ourselves about them. This is a roster corps that we know is built with rookies, and we consistently, collectively know will have "growing pains" -- which is the same thing these podcasters recognize while predicting 13-win seasons. If you're winning 13 games, you're not having growing pains!

Spags is a god at taking a pretty talented secondary and making it look great, so that's an area I know we'll be set at long-term. But growing pains means this secondary is going to have embarrassing blown coverages and bad games that will rack up a couple more losses than they should. I think that Trent McDuffie's camp and preseason has shown a lot of promise that I was skeptical of. It's still undeniable that he's had some bumps along the way and that's going to continue as he develops in live games. Watson and Williams look really good as rookies -- they're going to still get roasted by the AFCW's gamut of excellent receivers. The learning curve can only curve up so fast.

It's possible they're fine, though, because Spags.

But those aren't the two things I think will be really problematic for the team.

First, I don't see solutions for this DL, unless Karlaftis is a truly game-changing talent, which is somebody else than he's shown so far, immediately out of the gate. Aside from Karlaftis (who I think is going to be a really great rookie but is already earning predictions to beat Derrick Thomas' record), the DE position is just not very good. Even Karlaftis, who put some great snaps on tape, is still miles away from the ceiling he's going to reach (that's not a criticism, I don't think: he's a rookie). I have no faith in Clark, I am extremely reticent about the Achilles that Dunlap has, as are the Chiefs who kept 6 DEs just to make sure we'll have bodies. Danna is a rotational guy who's fine. We should have found a way to land Robert Quinn.

The DT position has taken a step backward, I think. We all dumped on Jarran Reed, who didn't justify his contract last year, but he offered some passrushing with good run defense, a combo none of our other DTs have, other than Chris Jones, who is amazing. Nnadi got pushed around a bit in the preseason and offers no passrush, Wharton is always going to be who he is, and Saunders remains a frustrating question mark. Saunders did play well in the preseason, which... I'll just say if Saunders reaches his potential, our DL is going to wreck people. But I've been saying that for a year now.

Thank god our linebackers are amazing, because that will make up for some of the deficiencies of the DTs in front of them. We will not be a bottom 5 rush defense, but we could very realistically be a bottom third unit who Buffalo, Ravens, and Broncos run right over. And our passrush is going to be right where it was last year.

The other big problem I have is out of the Chiefs control: the schedule is just brutal. We face a Chargers team that may very well be better than us, plus Tom Brady in the first four weeks. We play both of the Super Bowl contenders. We play everybody who was in the conference championship games. I would personally argue that the 2022 AFC West is the best division we've ever seen (even better than the 2021 NFC West initially looked and mostly was). And there's a stretch we play three road games consecutively -- which I don't think is very common. I personally struggle to recall the last time we did that? My memory fails me sometimes.

The Chargers loaded up their DL and secondary, finally have an OL and a ton of weapons. The Raiders I'm never super worried about but Adams vs. a rookie secondary will be interesting. The Bills have the best roster in the league right now and I would argue the Bengals got better. I'm not super worried about Russell Wilson but that Broncos team may click. We're going to have to beat some combo of the Chargers, Bills, and Bengals to get to the Super Bowl. Any two of them is a murderer's row.

TL

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Chiefs podcasters are high on their own supply, overlooking problems both manageable and less manageable, to predict the Chiefs are Super Bowl shoo-ins. The Chiefs have a major problem at DL which I fear is going to be their Achilles all season, and a brutal schedule that will take more losses from the team than perhaps this roster deserves. I also have some comparably minor concerns: the rookie secondary, which I think will cost us games, and apparently all of these podcasts think we can replace Hill in the aggregate, whereas I'm not so sure.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Let's argue.

htismaqe · 09-07-2022, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I do think that game could be a little "Chiefs Denver 2015" in that a loss could be a bit mentally detrimental.

Not with Mahomes at QB.

O.city · 09-07-2022, 08:14 AM

Probably so htis, you're likely right.

I would just like to get off to a good start this year. If they get to the bye at 6-1 or 5-2, they're just absolutely in the drivers seat.

Direckshun · 09-07-2022, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

We do this every year.

We have no clue who will be what at this point yet. An injury here, an underperformance there.

Like, are we sure the Bengals are making the playoffs this year? They had a flukey run last year and everyone wants to put them in this contender state. The Bills have been really good for a couple years. The defense is a bit older etc.

You just have no clue til the bullets start flying.

Give me the HOF coach and QB.

This is all fair, but Unnecessary Disclaimer #1. I'm just projecting, with all the limitations that entails.

Direckshun · 09-07-2022, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I do think that game could be a little "Chiefs Denver 2015" in that a loss could be a bit mentally detrimental.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Not with Mahomes at QB.

Agreed.

But we have to acknowledge the Bengals did the exact same thing to us twice last year. They took our best punch in the first half, only to completely bewilder Mahomes and torch our D in the second half.

Mahomes has to prove he can beat a three man rush with a spy on him. It's one of the very few areas he has to prove.

I'll bet on him to do it, but I'm reticent.

htismaqe · 09-07-2022, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

This is all fair, but Unnecessary Disclaimer #1. I'm just projecting, with all the limitations that entails.

I love how you basically started your post with an unlimited get out of jail free card.

Own your opinions, stop being a pussy.

RunKC · 09-07-2022, 09:05 AM

Low key think that Colts game is gonna be a battle. One of the toughest games of the season.

It’s amazing that once Ballard actually got off his ass and became aggressive, his team now looks much better.

Direckshun · 09-07-2022, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I love how you basically started your post with an unlimited get out of jail free card.

Own your opinions, stop being a pussy.

Honestly, I wrote up the OP, then thought to myself "what to do these jackwagons always complain about" and cut them off at the pass.

Happy to own my actual opinions. Clarifying that they're not absolute or infallible is part of them.

O.city · 09-07-2022, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Low key think that Colts game is gonna be a battle. One of the toughest games of the season.

It’s amazing that once Ballard actually got off his ass and became aggressive, his team now looks much better.

Matt Ryan's corpse?

htismaqe · 09-07-2022, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Matt Ryan's corpse?

No shit.

Rivers, Wentz, and now Ryan.

That's the smell of desperation.

RunKC · 09-07-2022, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Matt Ryan's corpse?

Barely missed 4K yards last year with a terrible roster. He’s also got an elite RB to give the ball to and a good OL.

They don’t have to rely on him. He can be a game manager and do it well IMO

O.city · 09-07-2022, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Barely missed 4K yards last year with a terrible roster. He’s also got an elite RB to give the ball to and a good OL.

They don’t have to rely on him. He can be a game manager and do it well IMO

In a 17 game season on a shit team where they were behind every week he didn't throw for 4k.

Nah.

He's at best Alex Smith 2015 in KC. Good roster, etc.

But we know that story.

htismaqe · 09-07-2022, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Barely missed 4K yards last year with a terrible roster. He’s also got an elite RB to give the ball to and a good OL.

They don’t have to rely on him. He can be a game manager and do it well IMO

Did you even watch the Chiefs prior to Mahomes?

RunKC · 09-07-2022, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Did you even watch the Chiefs prior to Mahomes?

Chiefs had good teams before Mahomes. It’s a regular season game and they’ll be pumped to play us at home.

Still think it’s gonna be a battle. Doesn’t mean the Colts are some elite team tho

MarkDavis'Haircut · 09-07-2022, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I do agree that the Chargers are very formidable on paper.

But they're starting the year without Jc Jackson apparently for 2 division games.

They could very easily be 0-2 by next Friday with 2 division losses.

We will do our part.

You guys do yours.

And we will laugh together at the media crying for their pimply golden boy.

raybec 4 · 09-07-2022, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I mean, it's a big game, but in terms of season importance, I don't think it makes a whole huge deal.

Yeah, you wanna win at home etc. But you still get to go there and it's week 2.

With the way the AFCW looks on paper this year, every division game is gold. They are all huge.

09-04-2022, 02:47 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2123447	We haven't argued in a while: nearly every Chiefs podcast is wrong, I think. Spoiler! Necessary disclaimer #1: What I'm saying right now is what the rest of you are doing: projecting the season and how good this team is. Necessary disclaimer #2: I may be awfully handsome, but I am not a god. I understand that I am wrong sometimes and may be wrong on this. Necessary disclaimer #3: I really only care about talking football, and not the assumed upsides and/or downsides of my personality, which you probably don't like. Almost all the time I spend exercising or working alone or driving, I'm dialing up a Chiefs podcast. I listen to more than most: Time's Ours, Locked On, It's Always Sunny In Chiefs Kingdom, KCSN, 4th and 1, Arrowhead Addict, Arrowhead Pride, Roughing the Kicker. I don't catch all of it but I catch a lot of it. And this past week, after breaking down the roster, several of these podcasts are, I think, overshooting what the '22 Chiefs may be capable of. These podcasters -- with the lone exception of Nick Jacobs, whose opinions I find pretty "grounded" -- are all predicting a Super Bowl season. And while that's to be expected of Chiefs-friendly media, it sure as **** makes Chiefs Kingdom toxic by Week 10 as the Chiefs are, say, 5-4 and still trying to get their roster figured out. "We should be the go away favorites for the 1 seed!" we're all being primed to spout in November, when the Chiefs may be trying to just hold onto the AFCW. I just listened to three straight Chiefs podcasts predict the Super Bowl unanimously among their hosts, including KC Lab on KCSN, which is normally more grounded. Maybe Kissel's infected them, I don't know. I appreciate optimism, but routinely predicting a 13-4 or 14-3 schedule against a bear of a calendar with a rookie secondary and a DL held together with scotch tape is irresponsible. Argue all you want that podcasts have no responsibility, and legally you're right. But if you want to be seen as credible, then c'mon now. Anchor yourselves. I volunteer as tribute as the Chiefs fan on this board who thinks the Chiefs are going to be very, very good this year but on the outside looking in when it comes to the Super Bowl. Pat Kirwan is one of my favorite analysts and he famously (to me) said on Moving the Chains that "you get two ifs, and that's it." And I think this team exceeds two ifs before we're just pie-in-the-sky dreaming. Mahomes and Reid are Mahomes and Reid. They are incredible, and when they're clicking, unstoppable. Kelce is a top 3 TE all time. JuJu, Watson, McKinnon, Fortson all have a good rapport with him right now. But it is not yet clear to me that this receiving corps can improve or even match the incredible work Tyreek put in last year. Coming as a guy who hates Tyreek's guts as a human being, there's no question he is just a cheat code who can do things nobody else can do and that there are few answers for. I think the logic of having a team with a ton of options for Mahomes makes sense. But this team is going to have to give MVS a lot of snaps to justify his contract, and I'm not high on him. Skyy and Mecole are a rookie and Mecole. JuJu looks like a damn steal, but all these things in the aggregate... I'm not sure they match what Hill did. It's possible though, because Mahomes and Reid. The secondary has a lot of promise, but we're completely lying to ourselves about them. This is a roster corps that we know is built with rookies, and we consistently, collectively know will have "growing pains" -- which is the same thing these podcasters recognize while predicting 13-win seasons. If you're winning 13 games, you're not having growing pains! Spags is a god at taking a pretty talented secondary and making it look great, so that's an area I know we'll be set at long-term. But growing pains means this secondary is going to have embarrassing blown coverages and bad games that will rack up a couple more losses than they should. I think that Trent McDuffie's camp and preseason has shown a lot of promise that I was skeptical of. It's still undeniable that he's had some bumps along the way and that's going to continue as he develops in live games. Watson and Williams look really good as rookies -- they're going to still get roasted by the AFCW's gamut of excellent receivers. The learning curve can only curve up so fast. It's possible they're fine, though, because Spags. But those aren't the two things I think will be really problematic for the team. First, I don't see solutions for this DL, unless Karlaftis is a truly game-changing talent, which is somebody else than he's shown so far, immediately out of the gate. Aside from Karlaftis (who I think is going to be a really great rookie but is already earning predictions to beat Derrick Thomas' record), the DE position is just not very good. Even Karlaftis, who put some great snaps on tape, is still miles away from the ceiling he's going to reach (that's not a criticism, I don't think: he's a rookie). I have no faith in Clark, I am extremely reticent about the Achilles that Dunlap has, as are the Chiefs who kept 6 DEs just to make sure we'll have bodies. Danna is a rotational guy who's fine. We should have found a way to land Robert Quinn. The DT position has taken a step backward, I think. We all dumped on Jarran Reed, who didn't justify his contract last year, but he offered some passrushing with good run defense, a combo none of our other DTs have, other than Chris Jones, who is amazing. Nnadi got pushed around a bit in the preseason and offers no passrush, Wharton is always going to be who he is, and Saunders remains a frustrating question mark. Saunders did play well in the preseason, which... I'll just say if Saunders reaches his potential, our DL is going to wreck people. But I've been saying that for a year now. Thank god our linebackers are amazing, because that will make up for some of the deficiencies of the DTs in front of them. We will not be a bottom 5 rush defense, but we could very realistically be a bottom third unit who Buffalo, Ravens, and Broncos run right over. And our passrush is going to be right where it was last year. The other big problem I have is out of the Chiefs control: the schedule is just brutal. We face a Chargers team that may very well be better than us, plus Tom Brady in the first four weeks. We play both of the Super Bowl contenders. We play everybody who was in the conference championship games. I would personally argue that the 2022 AFC West is the best division we've ever seen (even better than the 2021 NFC West initially looked and mostly was). And there's a stretch we play three road games consecutively -- which I don't think is very common. I personally struggle to recall the last time we did that? My memory fails me sometimes. The Chargers loaded up their DL and secondary, finally have an OL and a ton of weapons. The Raiders I'm never super worried about but Adams vs. a rookie secondary will be interesting. The Bills have the best roster in the league right now and I would argue the Bengals got better. I'm not super worried about Russell Wilson but that Broncos team may click. We're going to have to beat some combo of the Chargers, Bills, and Bengals to get to the Super Bowl. Any two of them is a murderer's row. TLR: Chiefs podcasters are high on their own supply, overlooking problems both manageable and less manageable, to predict the Chiefs are Super Bowl shoo-ins. The Chiefs have a major problem at DL which I fear is going to be their Achilles all season, and a brutal schedule that will take more losses from the team than perhaps this roster deserves. I also have some comparably minor concerns: the rookie secondary, which I think will cost us games, and apparently all of these podcasts think we can replace Hill in the aggregate, whereas I'm not so sure. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Let's argue. Last edited by Direckshun; 09-04-2022 at 03:01 PM..
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