Chiefs Secondary is starting to really come together - Page 10

staylor26 · 04-28-2022, 10:38 PM

Thornhill Reid

Sneed McDuffie Fenton

I love this group. Very young. Very athletic. Willing tacklers.

Need to add a 3rd safety in the 3rd or 4th.

Maybe Pitre in the 2nd if you really want to make this group special.

wachashi · 05-05-2022, 12:10 PM

Our roster of coverage players underwent some pretty drastic changes this offseason. Just looking at who we lost, there are a ton of snaps from last year.

Mathieu - 998 snaps (led the team in defensive snaps)
Ward - 753 snaps
Sorensen - 698 snaps
Niemann - 557 snaps
Hughes - 508 snaps

I look at that list and look at who we signed and I feel fairly confident that our secondary will be better next year, especially during the second half as new players get more comfortable in the scheme. The talent, youth, and athleticism traits are there.

Mathieu -> Reid
Ward -> McDuffie
Sorensen -> Cook
Hughes -> Fenton, Williams, Johnson Jr.

Chris Meck · 05-05-2022, 12:23 PM

I just thank the gods I won't have to watch ****ing Sorensen and Niemann look like complete morons anymore.

wachashi · 05-05-2022, 12:27 PM

Does Jermaine Carter Jr. take Niemann's snaps? Or someone else?

wachashi · 05-05-2022, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I just thank the gods I won't have to watch ****ing Sorensen and Niemann look like complete morons anymore.

Don't forget Mike Hughes tripping over himself to give up the lead in what was, up to that point, the most important defensive series of the season.

Gabriel Davis just ended Mike Hughes’ career💀 #BillsMafia pic.twitter.com/nc6jRjDXdt
— 3rd and Forever (@3rd_forever10k) January 24, 2022

RunKC · 05-05-2022, 12:31 PM

All you have to do is watch both Bills games to see how absolutely catastrophic this secondary was as well as Neimann.

Now they’ve got some guys who can cover, provide size against taller receivers and tackle.

God it’s gonna be nice seeing young guys fly to the ball and tackle instead of whiffing and making business decisions with their hands in the air.

It’s gonna take a on time for them to get going but it’s worth it

Chris Meck · 05-05-2022, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi

Does Jermaine Carter Jr. take Niemann's snaps? Or someone else?

Presumably.

saphojunkie · 05-05-2022, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi

7 new players were added to our secondary via the draft and free agency.

We're going to be one of the youngest and hopefully deepest DB groups.

Rashad Fenton (25 years old)
Juan Thornhill (26 years old)
Deandre Baker (24 years old)
L'Jarius Sneed (25 years old)

Justin Reid (25 years old) and Deon Bush (28 years old) are our free-agent signings.

Round 1 | No. 21 | Washington cornerback Trent McDuffie (21 years old)
Round 2 | No. 62 | Cincinnati safety Bryan Cook (22 years old)
Round 4 | No. 135 | Fayetteville State University cornerback Joshua Williams (22 years old)
Round 7 | No. 243 | Washington State cornerback Jaylen Watson
Round 7 | No. 259 | Marshall safety Nazeeh Johnson

8 now, counting Lonnie Johnson

mabbott · 05-05-2022, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi

Our roster of coverage players underwent some pretty drastic changes this offseason. Just looking at who we lost, there are a ton of snaps from last year.

Mathieu - 998 snaps (led the team in defensive snaps)
Ward - 753 snaps
Sorensen - 698 snaps
Niemann - 557 snaps
Hughes - 508 snaps

I look at that list and look at who we signed and I feel fairly confident that our secondary will be better next year, especially during the second half as new players get more comfortable in the scheme. The talent, youth, and athleticism traits are there.

Mathieu -> Reid
Ward -> McDuffie
Sorensen -> Cook
Hughes -> Fenton, Williams, Johnson Jr.

What are you picking to say these players are better???

Mathieu was graded higher at coverage but lover that Reid in run defense, plus Reid is younger and faster.
How is Sorenson better than Cook.. this alone makes me question your decision making. Sorenson was the worst safety in the NFL until a few lucky interceptions improved his ranking.

The season will show if our secondary is better or not. To me, the only real loss here is Ward, other than that I feel we have improved. If McDuffie is at the Sneed level or better we are much better.... I did notice you left Snead off of your list... coincidence?

wachashi · 05-05-2022, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mabbott

What are you picking to say these players are better???

Mathieu was graded higher at coverage but lover that Reid in run defense, plus Reid is younger and faster.
How is Sorenson better than Cook.. this alone makes me question your decision making. Sorenson was the worst safety in the NFL until a few lucky interceptions improved his ranking.

The season will show if our secondary is better or not. To me, the only real loss here is Ward, other than that I feel we have improved. If McDuffie is at the Sneed level or better we are much better.... I did notice you left Snead off of your list... coincidence?

Those aren't greater than signs, just makeshift arrows. Sneed isn't on the list because he's still on the team.

O.city · 05-05-2022, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

All you have to do is watch both Bills games to see how absolutely catastrophic this secondary was as well as Neimann.

Now they’ve got some guys who can cover, provide size against taller receivers and tackle.

God it’s gonna be nice seeing young guys fly to the ball and tackle instead of whiffing and making business decisions with their hands in the air.

It’s gonna take a on time for them to get going but it’s worth it

Unless they can cover for 4 or 5 seconds it may not matter if the pass rush doesn't come around.

ChiefBlueCFC · 05-05-2022, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi

Don't forget Mike Hughes tripping over himself to give up the lead in what was, up to that point, the most important defensive series of the season.

Gabriel Davis just ended Mike Hughes’ career #BillsMafia pic.twitter.com/nc6jRjDXdt
— 3rd and Forever (@3rd_forever10k) January 24, 2022

I think I blacked out after that play yelling at Mike Hughes

smithandrew051 · 05-05-2022, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Unless they can cover for 4 or 5 seconds it may not matter if the pass rush doesn't come around.

Chiefs Defense 2021 (according to Pro Football Reference):

Hurries - 4th
Hurry % - 3rd
Knockdowns - 8th
Knockdown % - 8th
Pressures - 6th
Pressure % - 5th
Sacks - 29th

I think Veach believes the pass rush only needs a bit of a boost and the problem was that the secondary wasn’t holding up quite as long as it needed to.

ToxSocks · 05-05-2022, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi

Don't forget Mike Hughes tripping over himself to give up the lead in what was, up to that point, the most important defensive series of the season.

Gabriel Davis just ended Mike Hughes’ career💀 #BillsMafia pic.twitter.com/nc6jRjDXdt
— 3rd and Forever (@3rd_forever10k) January 24, 2022

No matter how many times i watch it i still cant figure out how he got put on his ass so badly.

It wasn't even that great of a double move. Hell, that HS kid i played ball with last weekend had a better double move.

smithandrew051 · 05-05-2022, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

No matter how many times i watch it i still cant figure out how he got put on his ass so badly.

It wasn't even that great of a double move. Hell, that HS kid i played ball with last weekend had a better double move.

That looks like a guy who was EXTREMELY nervous

Rasputin · 05-05-2022, 06:09 PM

It's kinda funny maybe ironic but we've upgraded this backfield with mostly rooks and younger talent and of course they need experience. You would think that teams are going be thinking that we are playing a bunch of rookies but even without the experience I can see game one our defense is going to show up. This defense can cover mistakes by speed and chase guys down so that big play not going happen as much and if it does in one game it won't happen again same game. This is the most stoked both sides of the ball I've ever been.

If only we can beef up the lintier with Jones to penetrate and win in the trenches that would go a long ways and help our DBs. We got guys that can and will lay the wood in our secondary hell our Linebackers too. This is going be the most physical defense compliment the physical offensive line just tenacity on both sides of the ball. I think we got guys that can hit like Deron Cherry.

04-28-2022, 10:38 PM
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-1880960	Secondary is starting to really come together Thornhill Reid Sneed McDuffie Fenton I love this group. Very young. Very athletic. Willing tacklers. Need to add a 3rd safety in the 3rd or 4th. Maybe Pitre in the 2nd if you really want to make this group special.
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05-05-2022, 12:10 PM	#136
wachashi Veteran Join Date: Jan 2019 Casino cash: $6430400	Our roster of coverage players underwent some pretty drastic changes this offseason. Just looking at who we lost, there are a ton of snaps from last year. Mathieu - 998 snaps (led the team in defensive snaps) Ward - 753 snaps Sorensen - 698 snaps Niemann - 557 snaps Hughes - 508 snaps I look at that list and look at who we signed and I feel fairly confident that our secondary will be better next year, especially during the second half as new players get more comfortable in the scheme. The talent, youth, and athleticism traits are there. Mathieu -> Reid Ward -> McDuffie Sorensen -> Cook Hughes -> Fenton, Williams, Johnson Jr.
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1135090	I just thank the gods I won't have to watch ****ing Sorensen and Niemann look like complete morons anymore.
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wachashi Veteran Join Date: Jan 2019 Casino cash: $6430400	Does Jermaine Carter Jr. take Niemann's snaps? Or someone else?
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1400389	All you have to do is watch both Bills games to see how absolutely catastrophic this secondary was as well as Neimann. Now they’ve got some guys who can cover, provide size against taller receivers and tackle. God it’s gonna be nice seeing young guys fly to the ball and tackle instead of whiffing and making business decisions with their hands in the air. It’s gonna take a on time for them to get going but it’s worth it __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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05-05-2022, 06:09 PM	#150
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $235421	It's kinda funny maybe ironic but we've upgraded this backfield with mostly rooks and younger talent and of course they need experience. You would think that teams are going be thinking that we are playing a bunch of rookies but even without the experience I can see game one our defense is going to show up. This defense can cover mistakes by speed and chase guys down so that big play not going happen as much and if it does in one game it won't happen again same game. This is the most stoked both sides of the ball I've ever been. If only we can beef up the lintier with Jones to penetrate and win in the trenches that would go a long ways and help our DBs. We got guys that can and will lay the wood in our secondary hell our Linebackers too. This is going be the most physical defense compliment the physical offensive line just tenacity on both sides of the ball. I think we got guys that can hit like Deron Cherry. __________________ "Those who don't believe in magic will never find it"
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