Secondary is starting to really come together

[staylor26]

Thornhill Reid

Sneed McDuffie Fenton

I love this group. Very young. Very athletic. Willing tacklers.

Need to add a 3rd safety in the 3rd or 4th.

Maybe Pitre in the 2nd if you really want to make this group special.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Best22

If he was a JAG he would’ve seen playing time

Byron Pringle and Demarcus Robinson are JAGs

That'll leave a mark on Colin Powell for sure Pestilence!

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

The last time Juju was healthy with a healthy QB who could actually throw the ball, he was pretty damned good.

and if I remember correctly, that was the first season post AB.

And the guy is still just 25.

MVS has had some drop issues, but in GB, he was also basically the vertical guy while Adams was the go-to, so the completion percentage is a little unfair as he was the lower efficiency option to start with.

I'm not saying he's necessarily anything more than a vertical threat, but I'm just saying the stats don't necessarily tell the whole story.

So I think the pair, yeah, should be effective.

And while Moore wasn't a guy I understood at first glance (I was wondering why so many people had him so highly rated) I'm starting to understand.

I'm generally an optimistic guy (I have no idea why, you'd think the world would've beaten that out of me) but I see no reason why this offense needs to take a big step back.

Show me the light young Chris Meck.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

The last time Juju was healthy with a healthy QB who could actually throw the ball, he was pretty damned good.

and if I remember correctly, that was the first season post AB.

And the guy is still just 25.

MVS has had some drop issues, but in GB, he was also basically the vertical guy while Adams was the go-to, so the completion percentage is a little unfair as he was the lower efficiency option to start with.

I'm not saying he's necessarily anything more than a vertical threat, but I'm just saying the stats don't necessarily tell the whole story.

So I think the pair, yeah, should be effective.

And while Moore wasn't a guy I understood at first glance (I was wondering why so many people had him so highly rated) I'm starting to understand.

I'm generally an optimistic guy (I have no idea why, you'd think the world would've beaten that out of me) but I see no reason why this offense needs to take a big step back.

I think this could be a case or take one step back to move two steps forward.

Losing a lethal hit out of nowhere in Tyreek Hill will have an impact. No way it doesn't. I think we're all clear on that.

But I think it will also lead towards relying on others on the Offense and having a more balanced attack and controlling the clock.

[Wilson8]

With all of the young secondary players on the team, it's important that we have a quality defensive secondary coaching group to work with them.

We lost assistant DB Coach Sam Madison to the Miami Dolphins, and I have not heard or read about the Chiefs hiring any new additions.

As a defensive back, Sam Madison was really good and knew how to play the position.

David Merritt came to the Chiefs the same year as Sam Madison came in 2019. David was the Secondary Coach with Sam Madison as his assistant. I do not know if it was Sam or David's coaching, but I think Sneed, Ward, and Fenton improved.

Merritt was a LB when he was a player. He was an assistant DB coach with the New York Giants from 2006 through 2016 and the DB coach was Peter Giunta for all but one of those years. David had one year as the DB Coach with the Arizona Cardinals in 2018.

Some of the notable CBs that David Merritt has coached would be Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, Prince Amukamara, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Eli Apple.

David helped coach Sam Madison in 2006 and 2007 while with the New York Giants.

Looking around the league most teams have a DB coach and an assistant DB coach.

Will the Chiefs hire an assistant DB coach for next year?

[Titty Meat]

I wouldn't like this if I were Juan Thornhill

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by Wilson8

With all of the young secondary players on the team, it's important that we have a quality defensive secondary coaching group to work with them.

We lost assistant DB Coach Sam Madison to the Miami Dolphins, and I have not heard or read about the Chiefs hiring any new additions.

As a defensive back, Sam Madison was really good and knew how to play the position.

David Merritt came to the Chiefs the same year as Sam Madison came in 2019. David was the Secondary Coach with Sam Madison as his assistant. I do not know if it was Sam or David's coaching, but I think Sneed, Ward, and Fenton improved.

Merritt was a LB when he was a player. He was an assistant DB coach with the New York Giants from 2006 through 2016 and the DB coach was Peter Giunta for all but one of those years. David had one year as the DB Coach with the Arizona Cardinals in 2018.

Some of the notable CBs that David Merritt has coached would be Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, Prince Amukamara, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Eli Apple.

David helped coach Sam Madison in 2006 and 2007 while with the New York Giants.

Looking around the league most teams have a DB coach and an assistant DB coach.

Will the Chiefs hire an assistant DB coach for next year?

Definitely agree that our secondary coaching has been top notch. I know a lot of people have said that enables us to not invest in the secondary but my feeling is the opposite. Draft talent and build a truly elite group.

I love the focus on the secondary. I also think it accuratelly evaluates the current talent. Sneed is not yet a CB1, not even close, and as great as Fenton has been his athletic profile is always going to limit him.

I could see McDuffie having a slow start as that seems to be the way with CBs coming in at rhe moment. But I love the idea of him developing through the year and maybe Williams and Watson coming in later.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I think this could be a case or take one step back to move two steps forward.

Losing a lethal hit out of nowhere in Tyreek Hill will have an impact. No way it doesn't. I think we're all clear on that.

But I think it will also lead towards relying on others on the Offense and having a more balanced attack and controlling the clock.

Absolutely. That's the thing.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I think this could be a case or take one step back to move two steps forward.

Losing a lethal hit out of nowhere in Tyreek Hill will have an impact. No way it doesn't. I think we're all clear on that.

But I think it will also lead towards relying on others on the Offense and having a more balanced attack and controlling the clock.

I think it will improve Mahomes as a QB, as good as he already is, and that is nothing but a good thing. He zeroed in on Hill and Kelce way too much at times and left guys hanging that were pretty open. This should take him to that next level of reading what the defense is giving him and carving them up. I'm excited to see that development because it likely would have won last year's AFC title game. I will miss the explosive plays Hill provided and he was pretty reliable when you needed a play to be made.

[wachashi]

It's a good thing we're investing in DBs because the AFC West is going to really test this secondary, more so than in recent years.

Broncos will have Russell Wilson throwing to Sutton and Jeudy
Raiders will have Carr throwing to Adams and Waller
Chargers will have Herbert throwing to Allen and Williams with an improved offensive line

I would have to think that influx of talent factored into how we drafted this year, but the fact we lost Mathieu, Ward, and Sorenson (his snaps have to go to someone) is a huge factor as well.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

I wouldn't like this if I were Juan Thornhill

He's going to need to show up day one and hit the ground running. He can't have an setbacks or he'll end up losing his spot and he'll be out after this year.

I'm rooting for him. I still think he's a good safety.

[wachashi]

7 new players were added to our secondary via the draft and free agency.

We're going to be one of the youngest and hopefully deepest DB groups.

Rashad Fenton (25 years old)
Juan Thornhill (26 years old)
Deandre Baker (24 years old)
L'Jarius Sneed (25 years old)

Justin Reid (25 years old) and Deon Bush (28 years old) are our free-agent signings.

Round 1 | No. 21 | Washington cornerback Trent McDuffie (21 years old)
Round 2 | No. 62 | Cincinnati safety Bryan Cook (22 years old)
Round 4 | No. 135 | Fayetteville State University cornerback Joshua Williams (22 years old)
Round 7 | No. 243 | Washington State cornerback Jaylen Watson
Round 7 | No. 259 | Marshall safety Nazeeh Johnson

[ToxSocks]

Im looking forward to watching these guys.

Reid/Thornhill/Bush at Safety, with Cook coming in as dime LB (or he just outright takes the 3rd safety job) is going to be pretty nice.

McDuffie comes in as a day 1 starter with Sneed and Fenton. The rest of them? Let the chips fall where they may but there is some serious potential there.

[RunKC]

Cook’s excellent tackling and attitude wil make a big difference. It was not fun watching Sorenson miss tackle after tackle.

To me it’s just his coverage ability on TE’s. If he can be even marginal at it we are set up

[Wilson8]

The Chiefs had a new coach just for Safeties starting with 2021.

Donald D'Alesio enters his first season with Kansas City in 2021 as a defensive assistant. D'Alesio joins the Chiefs staff after spending five seasons as a member of the Youngstown State football coaching staff and the 2020 season as a defensive analyst at Lousiana State University.

During his time at Youngstown State, D'Alesio spent time as the Penguins' defensive coordinator, defensive line coach and defensive quality control coach.

In 2019 as the Penguins defensive coordinator, D'Alesio led a defensive unit that ranked seventh in pass defense, 10th in sacks and 24th in total defensive in the FCS.

The Youngstown, Ohio native was a defensive back at YSU from 2010-14, where he totaled 274 career tackles while starting 44 contests and playing in 48. His best year came during his senior campaign in 2014 when he was second on the team with 91 total tackles, including 45 solo tackles while adding a pair of interceptions.

https://www.chiefs.com/team/coaches-...onald-d-alesio

[RunKC]

There’s way more true versatility there.

Bryan Cook played box safety, deep safety and corner when he was at Howard. Trent McDuffie can play inside and outside and I think he can play safety. The Times Ours pod compared him to Kendall Fuller and that would be ****ing awesome. I bet he could play some safety if needed.

Just seems like Spags has a lot of options to mix and match coverages and confuse offenses.