George Karlaftis

[kccrow]

I can't stop fixating on this guy in the first round. The more I see him in the early 20's in mocks, the more I want KC to make the deal to go get this kid.

He reminds me of Ryan Kerrigan and Justin Smith. If he's somewhere in between, he'd be well worth a 20-ish pick. I just like his game. Great power in his punch. Good hand usage. Alot of moves but a staggering bull rush. Great feet. Excellent burst off the snap. What he doesn't have is great bend and agility which negates his speed rush.

But those traits, the ones involving power and speed-to-power, those win in the NFL. I don't care about his 40 time. He ran faster than the Bosa brothers. It's fine. He has elite vertical and broad jumps and a respectable bench press. I just imagine the day he gets stronger, and he will. If he learns to use better power rush technique, he's going to be very solid.

I think a lot of the lack of sacks this past year was the volume of double-teams and no other real threat on Purdue's defense. You watch his games though and he's putting tackles in the dirt. He's getting hits on the QB. He had a solid win rate as a pass rusher.

I love this guy as a SDE prospect. I want him to be a Chief. If you can go out and get a Sam Williams in the 2nd to pair with this guy as a bendier, more athletic WDE, I think you'll have an incredible pair of bookends for the foreseeable future.

So, am I missing something? Do I not see some fatal flaw?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Jackson and Mafe are too similar.

Pair one of those guys with Karlaftis, Thomas, or Williams and I’m fine with it.

I'd rather have Jackson in the 2nd than Mafe in the first.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'd rather have Jackson in the 2nd than Mafe in the first.

I'd rather have neither one....and just take Sam Williams at 30.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I'd rather have neither one....and just take Sam Williams at 30.

At some point we just have to accept that Williams is a guy that isn’t going in the 1st round and might not even go top 50.

He’s getting absolutely no buzz in that range.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Jackson and Mafe are too similar.

Pair one of those guys with Karlaftis, Thomas, or Williams and I’m fine with it.

Pick your guy but I like the plan that he has bc goddamn do our DE’s need juice. We need some damn speed and talent there in the absolute worst way. You’ve got some inside with Jones and Wharton but man we’ve got Kaindoh and a bunch of shit there at DE.

That’s gonna be needed too for QB’s like Allen, Russ, Herbert and Watson. We aren’t playing statue Brady anymore

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I'd rather have neither one....and just take Sam Williams at 30.

I’m really starting to think there’s an outside chance we could get him at 62. Very confident we can get him at 50

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Pick your guy but I like the plan that he has bc goddamn do our DE’s need juice. We need some damn speed and talent there in the absolute worst way. You’ve got some inside with Jones and Wharton but man we’ve got Kaindoh and a bunch of shit there at DE.

That’s gonna be needed too for QB’s like Allen, Russ, Herbert and Watson. We aren’t playing statue Brady anymore

Nobody is complaining about the fact that he took two DEs in the first three picks. They're just complaining about WHO he picked.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Pick your guy but I like the plan that he has bc goddamn do our DE’s need juice. We need some damn speed and talent there in the absolute worst way. You’ve got some inside with Jones and Wharton but man we’ve got Kaindoh and a bunch of shit there at DE.

That’s gonna be needed too for QB’s like Allen, Russ, Herbert and Watson. We aren’t playing statue Brady anymore

Mafe and Jackson will likely play the same position. I get wanting to throw numbers at the entire line but spending multiple similar picks on the same exact position doesn't seem prudent. Get complimentary skillsets instead.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Mafe and Jackson will likely play the same position. I get wanting to throw numbers at the entire line but spending multiple similar picks on the same exact position doesn't seem prudent. Get complimentary skillsets instead.

I don’t mind that at all. Obviously I’m a Jameson Williams homer but I think this DE class is very sneaky good and Dulcich is one of those quality TE’s IMO.

Just don’t like that we didn’t get a safety in that mock

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don’t mind that at all. Obviously I’m a Jameson Williams homer but I think this DE class is very sneaky good and Dulcich is one of those quality TE’s IMO.

Just don’t like that we didn’t get a safety in that mock

The nice thing about safety is that it can be a real plug and play position. Thornhill was IMMEDIATELY an impact player as a rookie.

It's not uncommon at all to see 2nd day safeties make a big difference especially when paired with a capable veteran.

Justin Reid qualifies at this point in his career. So in the event you can't get Thornhill extended (or elect not to), you can probably target the position on the 2nd day next year and get a guy that can immediately play.

So it's not terribly vital for me that we target one high this year at all. In fact, in most ways it turned out hugely counter-productive as the draft went on.

I really dislike the idea of a first round safety. It just completely ignores that we have a good safety duo already in Reid and Thornhill.

[kccrow]

Let's go get em boys:
1-14 (f/BAL) Jermaine Johnson II, DE, Florida State (1-29, 2-50, 2023 5th)
1-21 (f/NE) Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia (1-30, 3-94, 4-121)
2-62 George Pickens, WR, Georgia
3-103 Alontae Taylor, CB, Tennessee
4-135 Danny Gray, WR, SMU
6-186 (f/CHI) Daniel Bellinger, TE, San Diego State (7-233, 7-243, 7-259)
7-251 Shermari Jones, RB, Coastal Carolina

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The nice thing about safety is that it can be a real plug and play position. Thornhill was IMMEDIATELY an impact player as a rookie.

It's not uncommon at all to see 2nd day safeties make a big difference especially when paired with a capable veteran.

Justin Reid qualifies at this point in his career. So in the event you can't get Thornhill extended (or elect not to), you can probably target the position on the 2nd day next year and get a guy that can immediately play.

So it's not terribly vital for me that we target one high this year at all. In fact, in most ways it turned out hugely counter-productive as the draft went on.

I really dislike the idea of a first round safety. It just completely ignores that we have a good safety duo already in Reid and Thornhill.

Unless you can get a guy like Pitre or Hill that can play slot CB AND safety and be on the field with Thornhill and Reid, all 3 together.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Let's go get em boys:
1-14 (f/BAL) Jermaine Johnson II, DE, Florida State (1-29, 2-50, 2023 5th)
1-21 (f/NE) Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia (1-30, 3-94, 4-121)
2-62 George Pickens, WR, Georgia
3-103 Alontae Taylor, CB, Tennessee
4-135 Danny Gray, WR, SMU
6-186 (f/CHI) Daniel Bellinger, TE, San Diego State (7-233, 7-243, 7-259)
7-251 Shermari Jones, RB, Coastal Carolina

You give me Calvin Austin at 103 and I'll sign off on this insanity. Turn Pickens at 62 into Sam Williams and I think I'll just go ahead and wholeheartedly endorse it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Unless you can get a guy like Pitre or Hill that can play slot CB AND safety and be on the field with Thornhill and Reid, all 3 together.

Or just find a slot corner 3 rounds later.

It's just not a priority of mine.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Or just find a slot corner 3 rounds later.

It's just not a priority of mine.

I'm not saying I'd necessarily target them but they do seem to be solid value and continuously available at our slot...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm not saying I'd necessarily target them but they do seem to be solid value and continuously available at our slot...

They're solid value because....well frankly we overvalue them. It's also why they're 'continuously available' to us. Because they SHOULDN'T be coming off the board before we pick.

These are the same conversations we had in 2019 when Juan Thornhill was a 1st round value. And Marquise Blair and Nasi Adderley and Taylor Rapp.

I did it last year with Grant Delpit.

And in the most egregious of cases you see someone like Chauncey Gardner-Johnson who we were talking ourselves into 'with what's really just a 2nd round pick anyway' going all the way to the 4th round.

They're safeties, man. They're the relief pitchers of the NFL. These guys are guys who couldn't hack it as CBs so they got moved to S and find a role.

We just overvalue them here in a big way, IMO.