George Karlaftis - Page 9

kccrow · 04-04-2022, 07:42 AM

I can't stop fixating on this guy in the first round. The more I see him in the early 20's in mocks, the more I want KC to make the deal to go get this kid.

He reminds me of Ryan Kerrigan and Justin Smith. If he's somewhere in between, he'd be well worth a 20-ish pick. I just like his game. Great power in his punch. Good hand usage. Alot of moves but a staggering bull rush. Great feet. Excellent burst off the snap. What he doesn't have is great bend and agility which negates his speed rush.

But those traits, the ones involving power and speed-to-power, those win in the NFL. I don't care about his 40 time. He ran faster than the Bosa brothers. It's fine. He has elite vertical and broad jumps and a respectable bench press. I just imagine the day he gets stronger, and he will. If he learns to use better power rush technique, he's going to be very solid.

I think a lot of the lack of sacks this past year was the volume of double-teams and no other real threat on Purdue's defense. You watch his games though and he's putting tackles in the dirt. He's getting hits on the QB. He had a solid win rate as a pass rusher.

I love this guy as a SDE prospect. I want him to be a Chief. If you can go out and get a Sam Williams in the 2nd to pair with this guy as a bendier, more athletic WDE, I think you'll have an incredible pair of bookends for the foreseeable future.

So, am I missing something? Do I not see some fatal flaw?

htismaqe · 04-06-2022, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

I get it.

I just don't see Jameson Williams as that blue chip player. I can't wait until the draft is here and he goes top 15 so I don't have to spend the entire night dreading the Chiefs trading up for him.

staylor26 · 04-06-2022, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ebiketie getting mocked to the Chiefs is almost as inexplicable to me as Ridder getting mocked to the Chiefs.

So of course it's going to happen.

I just cannot make sense of it at all.

He doesn’t meet the height or weight requirements for a Spags DE, so I don’t think we have to worry about that one at all.

DJ's left nut · 04-06-2022, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

I get it.

I just don't see Jameson Williams as that blue chip player. I can't wait until the draft is here and he goes top 15 so I don't have to spend the entire night dreading the Chiefs trading up for him.

Like I said in the Kiper thread - I'm fine if they do it, fine if they don't.

If they DO make that move, I think it's because they see him as a potential superstar and I'll defer to them on that one. I think they'll be doing it with the right mindset as I think Vatch has learned some painful lessons with stuff like Speaks and Clark.

At that point my only real concern would be the cost of the move. I don't want to be giving up these 2nds and DAMN sure have no interest in packaging the 1sts.

**The Franchise** · 04-06-2022, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Like I said in the Kiper thread - I'm fine if they do it, fine if they don't.

If they DO make that move, I think it's because they see him as a potential superstar and I'll defer to them on that one. I think they'll be doing it with the right mindset as I think Vatch has learned some painful lessons with stuff like Speaks and Clark.

At that point my only real concern would be the cost of the move. I don't want to be giving up these 2nds and DAMN sure have no interest in packaging the 1sts.

I'm sure you'll hate my idea of trading that 2023 1st round pick to move up for Jermaine Johnson then.

O.city · 04-06-2022, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're talking about something different now. Are we talking about OUR opinions or theirs?

Nah, I'm just making fun of you guys not liking the guys they pick. Just some draft forum fun!.

DJ's left nut · 04-06-2022, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

I'm sure you'll hate my idea of trading that 2023 1st round pick to move up for Jermaine Johnson then.

In fact I do hate that idea. I hate that idea more than drafting Mafe or Ebiketie at 30.

Giving up essentially the same package we gave up to get Mahomes so that we can take the 3rd best DE in the draft and maybe the 5th best DL is...well it's something, I guess.

But I let it slide.

htismaqe · 04-06-2022, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Like I said in the Kiper thread - I'm fine if they do it, fine if they don't.

If they DO make that move, I think it's because they see him as a potential superstar and I'll defer to them on that one. I think they'll be doing it with the right mindset as I think Vatch has learned some painful lessons with stuff like Speaks and Clark.

At that point my only real concern would be the cost of the move. I don't want to be giving up these 2nds and DAMN sure have no interest in packaging the 1sts.

I'd be somewhat concerned that he'd be ready to go for next season and slightly concerned he might not ever recover fully. Some guys don't.

But yes, my primary concern would be the cost. A 3rd and/or 4th? Fine, I don't like it but I can live with it.

A 2nd or 1st? No ****ing way.

htismaqe · 04-06-2022, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

I'm sure you'll hate my idea of trading that 2023 1st round pick to move up for Jermaine Johnson then.

You're right. I do hate it.

**The Franchise** · 04-06-2022, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're right. I do hate it.

Hey...I'm pretty sure I had you on board yesterday. Don't switch now!

duncan_idaho · 04-06-2022, 09:37 AM

Not to keep bashing Nate Taylor, but if you're trading up to 21, here's how I run it:

1.21 - George Karlaftis
1.30 - Daxton Hill (now don't have to worry about corner or safety as a priority)
2.50 - John Metchie III (or whatever WR you like. Watson. Skyy Moore. Tolbert. Etc.)
2.62 - Sam Williams
3.103 - Jeremy Ruckert or Greg Dulcich or Ottom. There will be a good TE option here.
4.121 - Coby Bryant, CB, Cincinnati (now a "wow" athlete for a CB but a good fit for KC)
4.135 - Braxton Jones or Max Mitchell or similar OT

7ths - lotto pick stabs. Though if Tre Turner is around down there, that's a guy I'd like them to snag.

**The Franchise** · 04-06-2022, 09:41 AM

Maybe I'm just in the minority that doesn't see WR as this gigantic need that requires a trade up in the 1st round.

htismaqe · 04-06-2022, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Maybe I'm just in the minority that doesn't see WR as this gigantic need that requires a trade up in the 1st round.

You're not alone. I'm with you.

RunKC · 04-06-2022, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

21. Traded a first and third to move up for Jameson Williams, WR.
30. Boye Mafe, DE
50. Drake Jackson, DE
62. Martin Emerson, CB
93. Greg Dulcich, TE
121. Cordale Flott, CB
229. Aaron Hansford, LB
233. Logan Bruss, OT

Still not sure what he did with our other 4th round pick because he doesn't include it in the trade up.

I actually really like that draft. I’m higher on Drake Jackson than a lot of folks tho

**The Franchise** · 04-06-2022, 09:44 AM

Juju
MVS
Hardman

Clark
Danna
Kaindoh

They both aren't great but one is definitely lacking in talent more than the other one.

staylor26 · 04-06-2022, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I actually really like that draft. I’m higher on Drake Jackson than a lot of folks tho

Jackson and Mafe are too similar.

Pair one of those guys with Karlaftis, Thomas, or Williams and I’m fine with it.

04-04-2022, 07:42 AM
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1050000	George Karlaftis I can't stop fixating on this guy in the first round. The more I see him in the early 20's in mocks, the more I want KC to make the deal to go get this kid. He reminds me of Ryan Kerrigan and Justin Smith. If he's somewhere in between, he'd be well worth a 20-ish pick. I just like his game. Great power in his punch. Good hand usage. Alot of moves but a staggering bull rush. Great feet. Excellent burst off the snap. What he doesn't have is great bend and agility which negates his speed rush. But those traits, the ones involving power and speed-to-power, those win in the NFL. I don't care about his 40 time. He ran faster than the Bosa brothers. It's fine. He has elite vertical and broad jumps and a respectable bench press. I just imagine the day he gets stronger, and he will. If he learns to use better power rush technique, he's going to be very solid. I think a lot of the lack of sacks this past year was the volume of double-teams and no other real threat on Purdue's defense. You watch his games though and he's putting tackles in the dirt. He's getting hits on the QB. He had a solid win rate as a pass rusher. I love this guy as a SDE prospect. I want him to be a Chief. If you can go out and get a Sam Williams in the 2nd to pair with this guy as a bendier, more athletic WDE, I think you'll have an incredible pair of bookends for the foreseeable future. So, am I missing something? Do I not see some fatal flaw?
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04-06-2022, 09:37 AM	#130
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	Not to keep bashing Nate Taylor, but if you're trading up to 21, here's how I run it: 1.21 - George Karlaftis 1.30 - Daxton Hill (now don't have to worry about corner or safety as a priority) 2.50 - John Metchie III (or whatever WR you like. Watson. Skyy Moore. Tolbert. Etc.) 2.62 - Sam Williams 3.103 - Jeremy Ruckert or Greg Dulcich or Ottom. There will be a good TE option here. 4.121 - Coby Bryant, CB, Cincinnati (now a "wow" athlete for a CB but a good fit for KC) 4.135 - Braxton Jones or Max Mitchell or similar OT 7ths - lotto pick stabs. Though if Tre Turner is around down there, that's a guy I'd like them to snag. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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04-06-2022, 09:41 AM	#131
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2095047	Maybe I'm just in the minority that doesn't see WR as this gigantic need that requires a trade up in the 1st round.
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04-06-2022, 09:44 AM	#134
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2095047	Juju MVS Hardman Clark Danna Kaindoh They both aren't great but one is definitely lacking in talent more than the other one.
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