George Karlaftis

[kccrow]

I can't stop fixating on this guy in the first round. The more I see him in the early 20's in mocks, the more I want KC to make the deal to go get this kid.

He reminds me of Ryan Kerrigan and Justin Smith. If he's somewhere in between, he'd be well worth a 20-ish pick. I just like his game. Great power in his punch. Good hand usage. Alot of moves but a staggering bull rush. Great feet. Excellent burst off the snap. What he doesn't have is great bend and agility which negates his speed rush.

But those traits, the ones involving power and speed-to-power, those win in the NFL. I don't care about his 40 time. He ran faster than the Bosa brothers. It's fine. He has elite vertical and broad jumps and a respectable bench press. I just imagine the day he gets stronger, and he will. If he learns to use better power rush technique, he's going to be very solid.

I think a lot of the lack of sacks this past year was the volume of double-teams and no other real threat on Purdue's defense. You watch his games though and he's putting tackles in the dirt. He's getting hits on the QB. He had a solid win rate as a pass rusher.

I love this guy as a SDE prospect. I want him to be a Chief. If you can go out and get a Sam Williams in the 2nd to pair with this guy as a bendier, more athletic WDE, I think you'll have an incredible pair of bookends for the foreseeable future.

So, am I missing something? Do I not see some fatal flaw?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE the fact that Nate went DE early twice. It's just the guys that he took.

I'd much rather take Cameron Thomas and Sam Williams....instead of Mafe and Jackson.

Yup - easily.

And with Nnadi/Jones back this year, you can probably pass on the early DT and maybe someone like Hall (or even Jones) slides to the 3rd. Some of those space-eater types really start falling down draft boards when the bullets start flying.

Williams, Thomas, Williams would be an easy W for me. Then if Jones is there at 62, great. If not I would consider Hall there (he does fit what we do pretty well). Obviously I'd be on board with Dulcich in the third.

Then look at CB w/ the 4th as I think there are some nice value plays likely to be there. McCollum, Taylor-Britt, Armour-Davis, Alontae Taylor, Mario Goodrich; one of those guys will fall from that group. Marcus Jones has size issues that could push him but he'd be a nice slot replacement if you're committed to Fenton out wide. And double dip at CB or shift to S w/ the other 4th.

And as is my custom, I refuse to care about 7th round picks or comment on them in any way. Draft my dog and a nun for all I care.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Man, if a QB poor team wants to trade back up into the late first to take one so they have that 5th year flexibility, I'd be all about that.

I really think that the 2nd round is where all the value is.

**** it! move around, trade picks, and get ALL 8 PICKS into that 2nd round!

Haha.

Kidding.

Kind of.

I've done that a few times on the mock simulators.

I always go 1 or 2 trades too far and end up drafting my first guy at like 47 with 2 or 3 of my favorite targets going between 35 and 46.

Aggravating as hell.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nate Taylor has us using a 3rd to move up from 29 to 21 w/ the Patriots pick.

I can get behind that. For Karlaftis or Williams or whoever. If the guy they want is sitting there at 21 and all it costs them is a 3rd to get there, I'm game.

That's the first suggested trade-up that I can stomach.

(Then he goes and blows the rest of the mock by taking Boye Mafe at 30, which is just a bad pick, IMO. Still don't know how you take a 24 yr old rookie w/ productivity and polish issues that high)

I like Nate a lot, but his reliance on Pro Football Focus for his mock drafts make them pretty bad.

Boye Mafe is a not a good fit for KC's currrent scheme. He's a 34 OLB/2-point stance guy. I like that Drake Jackson is young and has a frame and think that's more of a long-term fit than Mafe.

Re: a scenario where the Patriots work the Chiefs and Packers against each other if a WR the Packers want is on the board... cool. Let them do that. Let the Packers overpay.

And then call the Patriots and get 22 from them and take the DE you want.

I just don't see trading up for a WR in this group unless Olave is in a range they can get to.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yup - easily.

And with Nnadi/Jones back this year, you can probably pass on the early DT and maybe someone like Hall (or even Jones) slides to the 3rd. Some of those space-eater types really start falling down draft boards when the bullets start flying.

Williams, Thomas, Williams would be an easy W for me. Then if Jones is there at 62, great. If not I would consider Hall there (he does fit what we do pretty well). Obviously I'd be on board with Dulcich in the third.

Then look at CB w/ the 4th as I think there are some nice value plays likely to be there. McCollum, Taylor-Britt, Armour-Davis, Alontae Taylor, Mario Goodrich; one of those guys will fall from that group. Marcus Jones has size issues that could push him but he'd be a nice slot replacement if you're committed to Fenton out wide. And double dip at CB or shift to S w/ the other 4th.

And as is my custom, I refuse to care about 7th round picks or comment on them in any way. Draft my dog and a nun for all I care.

I'm good with all of that. I just can't get behind trading up for Williams in the first. I just can't.

If I look at our biggest needs right now....WR is not even top 2. DE and CB are bigger needs and trading up 8 spots to take Williams is a waste of a pick IMO.

I would much rather give up more....and get up high enough to take Jermaine Johnson.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Pick 21 (Trade up - 29 and 94): Jameson Williams
Pick 30: Boye Mafe, DE
Pick 50: Drake Jackson, DE
Pick 62: Martin Emerson, CB
Pick 93: Greg Dulcich, TE
Pick 121: Cordale Flott, LSU

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I'm good with all of that. I just can't get behind trading up for Williams in the first. I just can't.

If I look at our biggest needs right now....WR is not even top 2. DE and CB are bigger needs and trading up 8 spots to take Williams is a waste of a pick IMO.

I would much rather give up more....and get up high enough to take Jermaine Johnson.

If you trade up for Williams you're not trading up for a WR - you're trading up for Jameson Williams.

You don't execute that trade up because you're worried about not getting the 3rd or 4th best WR prospect in the draft. You don't do it because for someone like Olave, for instance. Because that would be need based.

You do it because you think Jameson Williams is the BEST WR in this draft over a meaningful timeline and has that sort of ability to be a legitimate #1, 1,400 yard, game-breaking WR here. You're not considering need at all at that point - you're just going and getting a blue-chip player at 21.

And IF you believe that, I'm absolutely fine with it, especially at that cost. But you can't do it because of the Breeland Speaks thing where you're worried that there's only one guy left in your tier so you need to go up and get him before that tier gets cleaned out.

You only do it if he's the ONLY guy that was ever in that tier to begin with, IMO.

[O.city]

Thats the positions they've gotta hit. Now we don't like the players.

You unsufferable assholes.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I like Nate a lot, but his reliance on Pro Football Focus for his mock drafts make them pretty bad.

Boye Mafe is a not a good fit for KC's currrent scheme. He's a 34 OLB/2-point stance guy. I like that Drake Jackson is young and has a frame and think that's more of a long-term fit than Mafe.

Re: a scenario where the Patriots work the Chiefs and Packers against each other if a WR the Packers want is on the board... cool. Let them do that. Let the Packers overpay.

And then call the Patriots and get 22 from them and take the DE you want.

I just don't see trading up for a WR in this group unless Olave is in a range they can get to.

I’m not a huge fan because of the age, but I just don’t agree that Mafe can’t put his hand in the dirt. He did it at the Senior Bowl and looked great. He meets almost all of the Spags DE requirements aside from his arms being a little shorter than the threshold.

He’s not Ebiketie who is a 3-4 OLB only.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

21. Traded a first and third to move up for Jameson Williams, WR.
30. Boye Mafe, DE
50. Drake Jackson, DE
62. Martin Emerson, CB
93. Greg Dulcich, TE
121. Cordale Flott, CB
229. Aaron Hansford, LB
233. Logan Bruss, OT

Still not sure what he did with our other 4th round pick because he doesn't include it in the trade up.

Found it - he used it with our comp pick from Poles to move up to 93 and draft Dulcich.

So n/m - he didn't misplace anything.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

Thats the positions they've gotta hit. Now we don't like the players.

You unsufferable assholes.

You yourself said it - they have to HIT.

You don't want to take guys that don't fit the scheme.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m not a huge fan because of the age, but I just don’t agree that Mafe can’t put his hand in the dirt. He did it at the Senior Bowl and looked great. He meets almost all of the Spags DE requirements aside from his arms being a little shorter than the threshold.

He’s not Ebiketie who is a 3-4 OLB only.

Ebiketie getting mocked to the Chiefs is almost as inexplicable to me as Ridder getting mocked to the Chiefs.

So of course it's going to happen.

I just cannot make sense of it at all.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Found it - he used it with our comp pick from Poles to move up to 93 and draft Dulcich.

So n/m - he didn't misplace anything.

I was going to say, we don't have the 93rd pick right now...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You yourself said it - they have to HIT.

You don't want to take guys that don't fit the scheme.

It comes down to their preference on who they think fit schematically. If they're taking guys who they think fit the best at the positions we like, I'm good with it.

They've got enough good will built up there.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If you trade up for Williams you're not trading up for a WR - you're trading up for Jameson Williams.

You don't execute that trade up because you're worried about not getting the 3rd or 4th best WR prospect in the draft. You don't do it because for someone like Olave, for instance. Because that would be need based.

You do it because you think Jameson Williams is the BEST WR in this draft over a meaningful timeline and has that sort of ability to be a legitimate #1, 1,400 yard, game-breaking WR here. You're not considering need at all at that point - you're just going and getting a blue-chip player at 21.

And IF you believe that, I'm absolutely fine with it, especially at that cost. But you can't do it because of the Breeland Speaks thing where you're worried that there's only one guy left in your tier so you need to go up and get him before that tier gets cleaned out.

You only do it if he's the ONLY guy that was ever in that tier to begin with, IMO.

I get it.

I just don't see Jameson Williams as that blue chip player. I can't wait until the draft is here and he goes top 15 so I don't have to spend the entire night dreading the Chiefs trading up for him.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

It comes down to their preference on who they think fit schematically. If they're taking guys who they think fit the best at the positions we like, I'm good with it.

They've got enough good will built up there.

You're talking about something different now. Are we talking about OUR opinions or theirs?