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Old 02-17-2021, 10:29 AM  
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We are owed a better explanation. I don’t need to know the personal disagreements or the details like some TMZ thing. He wasn’t the worst thing in the org. So why is he gone?

Just give us the 10K foot view. Did Schildt want to play more vets? Mo and Dewitt wanted to play the young ones? What was it?
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We are owed a better explanation. I don’t need to know the personal disagreements or the details like some TMZ thing. He wasn’t the worst thing in the org. So why is he gone?

Just give us the 10K foot view. Did Schildt want to play more vets? Mo and Dewitt wanted to play the young ones? What was it?
I wonder if not picking up the option on Carpenter and Martinez had something tho do with it.
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I wonder if not picking up the option on Carpenter and Martinez had something tho do with it.
If Shildt chose to die on that hill, he deserves to be fired into the sun.
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Old 10-14-2021, 09:36 PM   #514
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If Shildt chose to die on that hill, he deserves to be fired into the sun.
He put Carpenter in the cleanup spot batting .170 about 10 days ago.

I think people skewed his results comparing him to Matheny but he did some mindless shit on the regular.
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You talk about Mozeliak like he's Brett Veach.

I don't think he's that great either but he isn't a complete idiot.
He’s a bigger idiot than Veach. By orders of magnitude.

Mozeliak is ****ing TERRIBLE at his job. One of the 5 worst in the game.
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Shildt will end up taking the Padres to the World Series.
Good.

I hope he **** punts that bowtie wearing fraudulent pile of shit in the process.

I’m openly rooting against the Cardinals until this sack of shit is gone.

**** John Mozeliak and Bill DeWitt. This is not how you a guy that’s given as much to the organization as Shildt has. Oh, and apart from that, it’s stupid and the wrong guy got canned.

This is my Scott Pioli puke point. I’m out until he is.
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So when does Mo hold himself accountable? Pathetic he fires Shildt (who deserved to be canned) and yet a bottom 3 GM in baseball is still employed
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So when does Mo hold himself accountable? Pathetic he fires Shildt (who deserved to be canned) and yet a bottom 3 GM in baseball is still employed
Wondering about this. Everyone in here that posts hates Mo and wants him fired. Maybe Rams Fan is a little wishy washy on it but the rest of us are pretty strong in our views that he should have been fired years ago.

I don't frequent other Cardinal boards or live in St. Louis. Are we the outlier's in Cardinals nation with wanting Mo gone?
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I don't frequent other Cardinal boards or live in St. Louis. Are we the outlier's in Cardinals nation with wanting Mo gone?
Yes.

But again, Cardinal Nation hates Jim Edmonds on the call and loves Brad Thompson. They jerk off to performative standing ovations for guys who got traded to the team like Brandon Moss.

Cardinal Nation is roundly reeruned and deserves John Mozeliak and his corporate babble bullshit.

Because for some reason they think that setting $400 million on fire is okay because 1/2 the teams in the NL aren't even trying to win and hey, we're better than those guys...
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I wonder if not picking up the option on Carpenter and Martinez had something tho do with it.
No.

A) Nobody in the organization likes Martinez. And he left the team after he got hurt while a short-termer like Wade LeBlanc stuck around even after his season was over. Shildt is more than happy to see Martinez go.

B) Why would Shildt give a rip that the Cardinals elected not to pay Matt Carpenter $18 million? Yes, he occasionally played him, but he also mostly buried him down the stretch. If he really wanted Carpenter back, he knows full well that the move is still to decline the option. Carpenter knew that the option was going to be declined.

No, Shildt didn't go to war over those 2.

It's almost certainly a Jeff Albert thing, IMO. That or payroll. He either wanted an organizational shift in hitting philosophy after seeing the offense go dark (again) vs. the Dodgers or he wanted to see the Cardinals add a big bat or big arm in the offseason as was told no.

Hell, it might've been both. Time will tell.

But if the rumors are true and Mozeliak fired the guy over the phone and Shildt was blindsided by it, then I think it's pretty clear that Shildt found his voice, announced his displeasure at the direction of the team and was cut off at the knees for not genuflecting at the altar of the mighty Mozeliak.
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Yes.

But again, Cardinal Nation hates Jim Edmonds on the call and loves Brad Thompson. They jerk off to performative standing ovations for guys who got traded to the team like Brandon Moss.

Cardinal Nation is roundly reeruned and deserves John Mozeliak and his corporate babble bullshit.

Because for some reason they think that setting $400 million on fire is okay because 1/2 the teams in the NL aren't even trying to win and hey, we're better than those guys...
Can I hate Jim Edmonds being an announcer because I think he’s an actual piece of shit human being?

Or does that mean I’m stupid.
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Nobody likes Mo, for obvious reasons. He should be gone as well.

But damn, Schildt sure has grown in popularity since getting fired.
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Nobody likes Mo, for obvious reasons. He should be gone as well.

But damn, Schildt sure has grown in popularity since getting fired.
That’s because Shildt is actually good at his job.
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That’s because Shildt is actually good at his job.
I get you are fan and DJ is a fan, but a reeruned chimp knew not to pitch Reyes there with the season literally on the line and other options. Every other pitcher available was better option, I called the homerun as soon as I saw Reyes warming up.

And I am sorry man, the guy who not only kept giving Carpenter playing time but batting him in the middle of the order is not a good manager. That's just a fact. 207 at bats for that turd and

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Schildt is probably a really good coach, he is a terrible manager, there are large differences.
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I get you are fan and DJ is a fan, but a reeruned chimp knew not to pitch Reyes there with the season literally on the line and other options. Every other pitcher available was better option, I called the homerun as soon as I saw Reyes warming up.

And I am sorry man, the guy who not only kept giving Carpenter playing time but batting him in the middle of the order is not a good manager. That's just a fact.

Schildt is probably a really good coach, he is a terrible manager, there are large differences.
He was given literally dogshit to deal with in the bullpen.

I get the criticism with Reyes-but that’s like complaining about a broken toilet on a sinking ship.

The offense went 0-11 with RISP. The bullpen was Frankenstein’s monster. A historic streak led to them even making the play-in game.

It took a miracle for the team to accomplish what it did. Shildt leaving in McFarland or using a AAAA guy(Flaherty or Hudson wouldn’t have been used and shouldn’t have been seen as viable options in a mid-inning situation) wouldn’t have made a difference.
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