Chiefs Complete Defensive failure - Page 2

Fansy the Famous Bard · 10-13-2021, 08:49 AM

We've discussed it all ad nauseam. Some say it's all about the passrush. Others point to the slow TCOJCOLDS guy in coverage. Many feel the Linebackers are playing slow and reactionary, creating a gaping hole in the middle of the defense.

I don't understand how so many areas can go wrong at the same time. It's just insane to comprehend. I mean, this defense was not good by any stretch of the imagination for the past few years, but there were a few pieces that were good. And they did step up at times to show some semblance of prospect. Veach has gone out to add additional personnel in an attempt to infuse talent in certain spots. Both via the draft and FA.

A few examples would be Frank Clark, Anthony Hitchens, and Jarran Reed. The drafting of DL, LB, and CB's. For instance Clark was really good in Seattle. Maybe it was fool's gold and we were just happy to be rid of Dee Ford.

Jaylon Smith gets cut for what? Someone mentioned a rumor that it was over having been tackling people 3-4 yards past the LOS. What i wouldn't give for that type of production from Hitchens right now. He tackles 10 yards down field. Those are the ones he comes from the opposite side to get a tackle. The plays that come through his gaps he is either swallowed up by a single blocker or he just doesn't read the play and is flat footed. He is probably the worst player on this defense and everyone wants to point at Dirty Dan (for obvious reasons). But he has been spectacularly terrible for quite some time now. And he was a DECENT Linebacker in Dallas. He comes here and just Sucks.

Jarran Reed is a fantastic signing on paper. If i hadn't read it before the season, there'd be no reason to even know he was on this team. He's done nothing.

Mathieu is pissed at his entire team around him, and he's playing like it. His heart isn't into it this season.

There's no pass rush, but at the same time our DL does next to nothing against the Run. They are kind of just "there". The LB's have been "holy shit" bad, but I still want to hold on to hope for Gay and Bolton. The DB's have talent... there are a few young guys that have shown REAL promise in Fenton, Sneed, and Thornton. But as we've seen, 4 out of 6 guys in the secondary can be good... yet it still doesn't matter. With no pass rush, no adjustment to create pressure at all from the schemes, the islands of coverage just becomes to fragile.

There has to be some moment of enlightenment where Spags, Reid, or hell Veach says. "Okay enough is enough" and changes some stuff. Fire Spags, change the schemes, move CJ back to DT... I don't know what that is. But 5 games in, we're talking about an all-time worst Defense in the history of the NFL. I mean, i'm sitting here thinking Bob Sutton wasn't so bad. That's how bad it is this year.

There needs to be some accountability in the Front Office and Coaching staff.

Wallcrawler · 10-13-2021, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Total FAIL on all 3 levels.
DL, LB and Secondary. IMO.Far too much to fix.

It is bad.

The obvious step in tbe right direction is getting Jones back to DT, and back to where he earned that contract.

Frank Clark dressing for games cant hurt.

Bench Sorenson, like yesterday. I dont care who you have step in, they simply cannot be worse than Sorenson is right now.

Gay staying healthy keeps Niemann of the field.

Those are just simple roster moves.

The real task for Steve is getting these guys into some sets where they can play ball instead of guessing at what they are supposed to be doing.

Its game 5 and you still have guys having no idea what to do. That's on Steve.

Maximize the talent you have. What can they do best? Where do they play best?

Its not too late to make a run if the defense can simply rise to mediocre over horrificly bad.

Whatever changes to the scheme Steve has made need to go. The only people hes confusing withot are his own players.

Massive emphasis on teaching tackling. Because these guys cannot tackle for shit.

With Mahomes anything Is possible.Just get to mediocre.

Coochie liquor · 10-13-2021, 10:49 AM

Another issue with the defense is the offense turning the ball over. Most of those turnovers were going to be scores, just like the last few years. But now that we’re turning the ball over more, and not scoring it allows the opponent to not be as stressed about keeping up with us which can usually take most teams out of their game plans.

ChiefsCountry · 10-13-2021, 11:03 AM

Chiefs aren't getting a pass rush and aren't causing any turnovers. That is the biggest problem with the defense.

**petegz28** · 10-13-2021, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Chiefs aren't getting a pass rush and aren't causing any turnovers. That is the biggest problem with the defense.

Or tackling
Or covering

suzzer99 · 10-13-2021, 11:25 AM

That video in the Clark thread just looks like a bunch of guys standing around expecting someone else to make a play. After this season we really need to blow the defense up and get a bunch of young hungry players in there.

**ptlyon** · 10-13-2021, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Or tackling
Or covering

Or stopping them from scoring

Hammock Parties · 10-13-2021, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

That video in the Clark thread just looks like a bunch of guys standing around expecting someone else to make a play. After this season we really need to blow the defense up and get a bunch of young hungry players in there.

I'd get rid of Hitchens, Clark, Sorensen and Nieman.

Replace them with solid starters and things start to look a lot better.

I still really like our corner group and DTs. DE, LB and one S position have to be addressed.

FloridaMan88 · 10-13-2021, 12:51 PM

It makes no sense why Spags didn’t blitz Josh Allen from the start of the game.

They did that with great success throughout the AFC Championship Game and it exposed Josh Allen’s accuracy issues.

Hammock Parties · 10-13-2021, 12:53 PM

One thing about our plan, on both offense and defense, failing so ****ing horrifically in the last game...

If we go to Buffalo in the postseason, they will not be prepared for whatever we roll out.

Gary Cooper · 10-13-2021, 01:46 PM

Britt Reid was the brains behind the defense evidently.

scho63 · 10-13-2021, 05:48 PM

Chiefs Fail Thread #2,483 since Sunday night.

Stryker · 10-13-2021, 06:19 PM

COMPLETE FAILURE! This team is killing me, how in the ever loving HELL can you go to 3 consecutive AFC Championship games, have a LEAGUE MVP, a SB MVP to BACK to BACK Super Bowls and this disarray with turn overs the entire first 5 games? Please explain this to me? The Chiefs get cover 2 defenses thrown at them yet, they have no answer? How is this even possible? We are facing the same D formation week to week yet there is no answer. Mahomes "MAGIC" seems to have come and gone in 3 years! UUGGHHH!

PAChiefsGuy · 10-13-2021, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

It makes no sense why Spags didn’t blitz Josh Allen from the start of the game.

They did that with great success throughout the AFC Championship Game and it exposed Josh Allen’s accuracy issues.

I'm sure the Bills were aware of this just like you are. They would have been prepared for the blitzes which is why Spags probably didn't do it.

crispystl · 10-13-2021, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by arrwheader

I think the hardest thing to swallow about what is happening with the defense is that it is so mind boggling that they are this ****ing bad.

They are basically the same unit as last year. Who did we lose? Wilson? Tonah? That isn't changing much imo.

.

I wonder if that's the reason Spag’s defenses regress after a year or two. Is it because he introduces more and more complicated concepts that confuse everyone (or at least make them think a tad too much) as time goes on?

Hog's Gone Fishin · 10-13-2021, 07:10 PM

Things would look much different without all the turnovers on offense. Correct me if I'm wrong but 2019 our SB win year, our defense sucked balls through game 8 and then they put it all together and had the #1 defense the second half of the season thru the SB.

10-13-2021, 08:49 AM
Fansy the Famous Bard I'm with the Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $-483560	Complete Defensive failure We've discussed it all ad nauseam. Some say it's all about the passrush. Others point to the slow TCOJCOLDS guy in coverage. Many feel the Linebackers are playing slow and reactionary, creating a gaping hole in the middle of the defense. I don't understand how so many areas can go wrong at the same time. It's just insane to comprehend. I mean, this defense was not good by any stretch of the imagination for the past few years, but there were a few pieces that were good. And they did step up at times to show some semblance of prospect. Veach has gone out to add additional personnel in an attempt to infuse talent in certain spots. Both via the draft and FA. A few examples would be Frank Clark, Anthony Hitchens, and Jarran Reed. The drafting of DL, LB, and CB's. For instance Clark was really good in Seattle. Maybe it was fool's gold and we were just happy to be rid of Dee Ford. Jaylon Smith gets cut for what? Someone mentioned a rumor that it was over having been tackling people 3-4 yards past the LOS. What i wouldn't give for that type of production from Hitchens right now. He tackles 10 yards down field. Those are the ones he comes from the opposite side to get a tackle. The plays that come through his gaps he is either swallowed up by a single blocker or he just doesn't read the play and is flat footed. He is probably the worst player on this defense and everyone wants to point at Dirty Dan (for obvious reasons). But he has been spectacularly terrible for quite some time now. And he was a DECENT Linebacker in Dallas. He comes here and just Sucks. Jarran Reed is a fantastic signing on paper. If i hadn't read it before the season, there'd be no reason to even know he was on this team. He's done nothing. Mathieu is pissed at his entire team around him, and he's playing like it. His heart isn't into it this season. There's no pass rush, but at the same time our DL does next to nothing against the Run. They are kind of just "there". The LB's have been "holy shit" bad, but I still want to hold on to hope for Gay and Bolton. The DB's have talent... there are a few young guys that have shown REAL promise in Fenton, Sneed, and Thornton. But as we've seen, 4 out of 6 guys in the secondary can be good... yet it still doesn't matter. With no pass rush, no adjustment to create pressure at all from the schemes, the islands of coverage just becomes to fragile. There has to be some moment of enlightenment where Spags, Reid, or hell Veach says. "Okay enough is enough" and changes some stuff. Fire Spags, change the schemes, move CJ back to DT... I don't know what that is. But 5 games in, we're talking about an all-time worst Defense in the history of the NFL. I mean, i'm sitting here thinking Bob Sutton wasn't so bad. That's how bad it is this year. There needs to be some accountability in the Front Office and Coaching staff.
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Coochie liquor Bolton gonna knock you out Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: They Freed Kartel!! Casino cash: $-377606	Another issue with the defense is the offense turning the ball over. Most of those turnovers were going to be scores, just like the last few years. But now that we’re turning the ball over more, and not scoring it allows the opponent to not be as stressed about keeping up with us which can usually take most teams out of their game plans. __________________ 2024 Adopt a Chief : Trent McDuffie THEIR SUCCESS THESE BITCHES JUST CANT ACCEPT, THEY SHOULD JUST BEND THE KNEE INSTEAD THEY BLAME THE REFS
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suzzer99 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: L.A. Casino cash: $-135716	That video in the Clark thread just looks like a bunch of guys standing around expecting someone else to make a play. After this season we really need to blow the defense up and get a bunch of young hungry players in there.
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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-27094	It makes no sense why Spags didn’t blitz Josh Allen from the start of the game. They did that with great success throughout the AFC Championship Game and it exposed Josh Allen’s accuracy issues.
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10-13-2021, 06:19 PM	#27
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Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1079523	Things would look much different without all the turnovers on offense. Correct me if I'm wrong but 2019 our SB win year, our defense sucked balls through game 8 and then they put it all together and had the #1 defense the second half of the season thru the SB.
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