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**DaFace** · 06:35 PM

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TwistedChief · 07-20-2021, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Flashboys was a truly fascinating book. I listened to it on the tractor. I had to keep backing it up and relistening to parts because I’d be like, “do what now? LOL”.

It’s like listening descriptions of ancient battles. Conceptually I know what’s happening , but I don’t know any of the names, formations, armpit weapons or context so it’s so foreign to me that it’s hard to visualize.

One of my favorite books.

And my broker was talking to me about similar weird shit happening on the minute charts in the grains. It’s no big thing for me but it’s hard for him to work in when it’s possible to get filled on these fishing exercises.

Commodities markets are different in the way they’re structured, so you wouldn’t be subject to the same obviously bad behavior that the book chronicles in the equity market (which is pure thievery and pathetic in my view). But there absolutely are a lot of the same firms listed in that book (I happen work for one that touches tons of different things in financial markets and otherwise) who would be on the other side of a lot of your activity in grains by virtue of their role as market makers/liquidity providers. But I don’t think they’re taking advantage of you in such a brazen way.

Though I’ll give you an example of something that’s common to every futures market that can be thought of as a bit sketchy. If something is trading at 50.12/50.15 and there’s an average 10 on the bid and 10 on the offer and you have 100 to sell and offer them at 50.14, almost guaranteed the second you input your offer you’ll see a 50.13 offer show up right in front of you. If you cancel your order, that offer disappears. Put it back in and it populates again. And over and over again.

This is just the nature of ‘algos’ and how they operate in markets. It touches me as an institutional investor just as it would touch any retail investor.

And I focus primarily on interest rates so there was a fair bit in the book that was new to me as well. But the arms race for faster technology is something I’m well aware of and it’s absolutely fascinating.

**Buehler445** · 07-20-2021, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Commodities markets are different in the way they’re structured, so you wouldn’t be subject to the same obviously bad behavior that the book chronicles in the equity market (which is pure thievery and pathetic in my view). But there absolutely are a lot of the same firms listed in that book (I happen work for one that touches tons of different things in financial markets and otherwise) who would be on the other side of a lot of your activity in grains by virtue of their role as market makers/liquidity providers. But I don’t think they’re taking advantage of you in such a brazen way.

Though I’ll give you an example of something that’s common to every futures market that can be thought of as a bit sketchy. If something is trading at 50.12/50.15 and there’s an average 10 on the bid and 10 on the offer and you have 100 to sell and offer them at 50.14, almost guaranteed the second you input your offer you’ll see a 50.13 offer show up right in front of you. If you cancel your order, that offer disappears. Put it back in and it populates again. And over and over again.

This is just the nature of ‘algos’ and how they operate in markets. It touches me as an institutional investor just as it would touch any retail investor.

And I focus primarily on interest rates so there was a fair bit in the book that was new to me as well. But the arms race for faster technology is something I’m well aware of and it’s absolutely fascinating.

Yeah, it's worrisome. I sit on a board of a company that does autohedging of grain. I turned them onto it. I don't know what their risk is, but I wouldn't want to be autohedging with massive swings on the minute chart periodically. I'd be the guy that gets ****ed - EVERY TIME.

KChiefs1 · 07-20-2021, 02:30 PM

It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood!

KChiefs1 · 07-20-2021, 02:34 PM

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My loins never fail me.

Keep those loins happy!

**DaFace** · 07-20-2021, 05:13 PM

Glad you guys can step back from the brink a bit. (And, yes, I mean that sincerely.)

MTG#10 · 07-20-2021, 06:37 PM

Great day, but apes have to be prepared for another price drop. Just like the price manipulation that tanks the stock, the shitbags manipulate it going up as well hoping people will be relieved to finally see another good day and sell. Don't fall for it, just hold until its a price you feel is good enough for you to sell. I'm not selling for anything less than $100/share, and even then I'll probably only let half of them go.

TambaBerry · 07-20-2021, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

Great day, but apes have to be prepared for another price drop. Just like the price manipulation that tanks the stock, the shitbags manipulate it going up as well hoping people will be relieved to finally see another good day and sell. Don't fall for it, just hold until its a price you feel is good enough for you to sell. I'm not selling for anything less than $100/share, and even then I'll probably only let half of them go.

I'm waiting for 5 digits before selling

BigBeauford · 07-21-2021, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Dow up 500 yesterday and 250 today so far, trying to time the market is not a good strategy.

I bought all my shares March 23rd, 2020, and flipped them last week for a 300% profit. I'll wait for the next big big dip in the market, but I'm definitely not into day trading.

**Rain Man** · 07-21-2021, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry

I'm waiting for 5 digits before selling

Hopefully they're all on the left side of the decimal point for you.

**lewdog** · 07-21-2021, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Dow up 500 yesterday and 250 today so far, trying to time the market is not a good strategy.

And in trading I jumped back in with numerous positions on momentum, all 2-3% risk with stops. It’s called using rules and having a plan!

**lewdog** · 07-21-2021, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Been holding a heavy bag on VYGVF but it's having a good day. Seems to be tied to Bitcoin which is stupid. It's the most profitable company in the OTC market.

Bag holding is for those who have no plan, just going off hope!

MTG#10 · 07-21-2021, 04:23 PM

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Bag holding is for those who have no plan, just going off hope!

So you never hold stocks even under what you paid for them because you feel they'll be worth a lot more in the future? I'm glad I didn't have that mindset when I bought during the market tank last year.

**lewdog** · 07-21-2021, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

So you never hold stocks even under what you paid for them because you feel they'll be worth a lot more in the future? I'm glad I didn't have that mindset when I bought during the market tank last year.

Of course not. I’m giving Hog shit because he tried calling me out for going 100% cash last week in my trading account. There’s no need to bag hold in trading. Protecting capital is #1 so you can trade with momentum.

In more passive accounts I’ll absolutely add to positions and ride them down quite a bit more without selling.

It’s ok to treat different accounts…..differently.

MTG#10 · 07-21-2021, 05:07 PM

Right now both of my portfolios are bag holder accounts. Oddly enough AMC is the only thing I'm green on at the moment. Not worried though.

**lewdog** · 07-21-2021, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

Right now both of my portfolios are bag holder accounts. Oddly enough AMC is the only thing I'm green on at the moment. Not worried though.

Damn dude. What are some heavy down positions you have?

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