Chiefs Yeah the line was horrendous, but the refs put this game out of reach - Page 11

dlphg9 · 02:11 PM

Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl.

7 penalties for 82 yds on KC

1 penalty for 5 yds on TB

5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime.

On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties

The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38.

The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles.

Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down.

Very next play Bucs score a TD.

Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line.

The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game.

That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor.

Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do.

There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards.

These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come.

Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been.

Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties

His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties

Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined.

Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better.

Here's some more "interesting" stats

So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized

47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards.

His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards.

Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called.

11 games

135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties

That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team

Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties

Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties.

The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12.

50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing.

Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom.

Coochie liquor · 02-09-2021, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by UK_Chief

Watching the presser, it’s pretty obvious Andy blames the refs. Pat looked broken in his, hope the guy shakes it off, seems like he’s blaming himself

If we know anything about Mahomes, it’s that he’ll come back even more ready to prove the doubters wrong.

whats good · 02-09-2021, 08:07 AM

LOL @ blaming the refs.....

How do you go to the super bowl and not even score a touchdown?

Srs question

MahomesMagic · 02-09-2021, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by whats good

LOL @ blaming the refs.....

How do you go to the super bowl and not even score a touchdown?

Srs question

ARROW2 · 02-09-2021, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Oh, I don't know, how about two passes bouncing off of face masks in the end zone?

ARROW2 · 02-09-2021, 08:40 AM

and another off of the fingertips of robinson

ARROW2 · 02-09-2021, 08:41 AM

Fluke of a game

**Bearcat** · 02-09-2021, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

But when they not only took away our DBs ability to play their brand of defense at all, and curiously didn't throw any flags at their DBs/LBs, they effectively eliminated any chance for KC to even make a game of it.

And I just have to question why it was necessary at all. Why change the way they officiated this game? They could've just pulled that shit when we played CLE or BUF.

Just doesn't make any sense.

I think the Bucs also did a far better job at adjusting and slowing down the pass rush with their dump-offs to Gronk and committing to the run... Simms reviewed that and said they were still getting into that offense in week 12, but it's what has protected Brady the past several weeks. After the 2nd or 3rd one of those screens, I figured things would open up for them.

And it's exactly the kind of stuff the Chiefs desperately needed in their game plan, and we all thought they were holding back for a game like this... shovel passes to Kelce, committing to CEH, etc; and I think Simms touched on it, too, that maybe Reid was just too afraid of the offensive line to even do those things.

As far as officiating, I think the Bills/Chiefs shenanigans would be a good excuse for the NFL to crackdown on some of that stuff, but that obviously wouldn't include completely phantom defensive holds and DPIs.

Sassy Squatch · 02-09-2021, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

I think the Bucs also did a far better job at adjusting and slowing down the pass rush with their dump-offs to Gronk and committing to the run... Simms reviewed that and said they were still getting into that offense in week 12, but it's what has protected Brady the past several weeks. After the 2nd or 3rd one of those screens, I figured things would open up for them.

And it's exactly the kind of stuff the Chiefs desperately needed in their game plan, and we all thought they were holding back for a game like this... shovel passes to Kelce, committing to CEH, etc; and I think Simms touched on it, too, that maybe Reid was just too afraid of the offensive line to even do those things.

As far as officiating, I think the Bills/Chiefs shenanigans would be a good excuse for the NFL to crackdown on some of that stuff, but that obviously wouldn't include completely phantom defensive holds and DPIs.

Offensive line couldn't handle it. We tried a screen and it got blown the **** up two different ways because of horrendous blocking. After that I don't remember us trying many more.

**BigRedChief** · 02-09-2021, 08:45 AM

The refs didn't cost us the game for crissakes.

Mahomes running around behind the line of scrimmage for 497 yards. Trying to not get killed by 340lb men looking to **** him up and coaching did us in.

displacedinMN · 02-09-2021, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Showing zero desire to fix that crap just gives them an even worse look in the whole thing.

that says it all. Normal football fans should get answers

#investigaeCarlCheffers

**The Franchise** · 02-09-2021, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The refs didn't cost us the game for crissakes.

Mahomes running around behind the line of scrimmage for 497 yards. Trying to not get killed by 340lb men looking to **** him up and coaching did us in.

All three can be factors and the truth.

KC_Connection · 02-09-2021, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The refs didn't cost us the game for crissakes.

I mean they gifted Brady 14 points in the 1st half on phantom DPIs/holding calls and prevented us from playing the same physical defense that got us to the game in the 2nd half in a 22 point loss. If that isn't costing us the game, I'm not sure what would qualify.

BigBeauford · 02-09-2021, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I mean they gifted Brady 14 points in the 1st half on phantom DPIs/holding calls and prevented us from playing the same physical defense that got us to the game in the 2nd half in a 22 point loss. If that isn't costing us the game, I'm not sure what would qualify.

It also changes the gameplan for both teams, effectively shortening the game length. KC can no longer afford to run a balanced offense, Tampa can afford a "run the clock out" offense. It made our offense much more predictable for the 2nd half.

KC_Connection · 02-09-2021, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford

It also changes the gameplan for both teams, effectively shortening the game length. KC can no longer afford to run a balanced offense, Tampa can afford a "run the clock out" offense. It made our offense much more predictable for the 2nd half.

Yes, the significant lead that Tampa was gifted completely changed the game construction in the 2nd half (Tampa did not have to take any risks on offense and the Chiefs did).

After a few days of thinking about it, there's no question in my mind that the biggest factor in the loss was the refs. Yes the Chiefs may not have won the game anyway in the end because of horrendous line play, but it's still a fair bet it would have been close at the end if the game was called as they were against the Browns/Bills. And when it's close with Mahomes, you've always got a chance.

**Rain Man** · 02-09-2021, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

I watched every playoff game this season and last. The refs allowed both teams to play "playoff-style" defense in every game, but this one. We also watched the refs put their heads together on nearly every questionable call throughout the regular season and playoffs and mostly they got the calls right, but not in the SB.

In LV, flags were thrown, at least twice were egregiously bad calls, and there was no discussion, barely a replay, and even the commentators were curiously silent. Did they even try to get the TV ref to explain any of them? I don't recall that either, and during the regular season they were quick to have Steratore or whoever explain what we were seeing.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories, especially as it concerns the NFL, but it was very curious that the refs chose those plays, in those moments to suddenly decide it was week 1, instead of the Super Bowl.

I wonder if the NFL wants Steratore out of the booth. I feel like he contradicts the calls on the field half the time, which shows how subjective the calls are.

02-08-2021, 03:11 AM
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1410347	Yeah the line was horrendous, but the refs put this game out of reach Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl. 7 penalties for 82 yds on KC 1 penalty for 5 yds on TB 5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime. On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38. The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles. Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down. Very next play Bucs score a TD. Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line. The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game. That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor. Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do. There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards. These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come. Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been. Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined. Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better. Here's some more "interesting" stats So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized 47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards. His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards. Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called. 11 games 135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties. The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12. 50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing. Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom. Last edited by dlphg9; 02-09-2021 at 02:11 PM..
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