Yeah the line was horrendous, but the refs put this game out of reach

[dlphg9]

Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl.

7 penalties for 82 yds on KC

1 penalty for 5 yds on TB

5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime.

On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties

The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38.

The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles.

Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down.

Very next play Bucs score a TD.

Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line.

The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game.

That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor.

Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do.

There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards.

These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come.

Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been.

Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties

His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties

Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined.

Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better.

Here's some more "interesting" stats

So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized

47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards.

His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards.

Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called.

11 games

135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties

That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team

Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties

Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties.

The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12.

50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing.

Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom.

[CaliChief83]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I really wish there was an overhead shot of this to see exactly where he was lined up. He may be in the neutral zone, but for crying out loud he's looking directly at the ball. How is he lined up wrong?

There were four game-changing calls in the first half that completely altered the outcome.

There was the completely wrong call against Breeland that resulted in a touchdown for the other team. There's zero doubt that the call was wrong. It's a bright line. It was not a penalty according to the NFL rulebook. I can see where the official could have screwed up honestly, though. When I saw the play live it looked like Breeland was beat and tackled the guy. That's not at all what happened, but since the official on that side of the field is not the top of the profession, I can see an honest mistake happening.

There was the neutral zone call above. It's frustrating that the same official only seems to see neutral zone violations on key plays. Maybe Mecole is over the line, because Mecole played pretty much the worst Super Bowl game ever played.

There was the call that negated Matthieu's interception and cost the Chiefs a possession. I need to see that one again to make a judgment on whether it was a legit call that would have been called on other plays.

There was the call in the end zone on Matthieu. Did that one result in a score or was that the goal line stand? Either way, I think most reasonable people didn't see contact that was worthy of a penalty.

It would be nice to figure out which officials made those specific calls. Was there a pattern in one official making all of the questionable calls? We know this officiating group is not the best in the league and they were there for reasons unrelated to their performance, but how weak are they as a group?

That said, the Chiefs were not good yesterday. They dropped two touchdown passes that would have made them competitive and probably had less than a 50 percent chance of winning on their own merits. But it would have been nice if they weren't down 20 points early because of the above four calls to give them that chance.

They said there was over 100 cameras for the game. You're telling me we couldn't get one shot of down the line. Come on

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t disagree.

But it’s not as simple as “they only scored 9 pts., so they would’ve lost anyways”.

The officiating changed the dynamic of the game so much that it’s impossible to say what would’ve happened.

Nope. Fully confident the game doesn't change all that much. They got pressure on over 50% of our drop backs while only rushing 4 a vast majority of the time and our receivers dropped a good portion of the balls Mahomes manages to get to them.

Being down 15 at half isn't an insurmountable task, especially for this offense. But when we came out and kicked a FG to start and they scored a TD that's when it became clear we were in some deep ****ing shit.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Nope. Fully confident the game doesn't change all that much. They got pressure on over 50% of our drop backs while only rushing 4 a vast majority of the time and our receivers dropped a good portion of the balls Mahomes manages to get to them.

Being down 15 at half isn't an insurmountable task, especially for this offense. But when we came out and kicked a FG to start and they scored a TD that's when it became clear we were in some deep ****ing shit.

You’re missing the point that the refs put the game out of reach by completely taking away the one thing we were doing well last night, running the football.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You’re missing the point that the refs put the game out of reach by completely taking away the one thing we were doing well last night, running the football.

They didn't. That's complete horse shit. If you're completely abandoning the run while only being down two possessions at half that's on the coaching.

[Dbag]

Tampa Bay has seen a lifetime of crappy calls and unfortunate breaks. There will be no apologizing for yellow flags, homefield advantage or substitute tackles on Kansas City’s offensive line.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

They didn't. That's complete horse shit. If you're completely abandoning the run while only being down two possessions at half that's on the coaching.

Lol ok.

They didn’t completely abandon it, but there’s no way you can tell me they wouldn’t have run the ball a lot more if they weren’t down multiple scores.

This is common sense.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You’re missing the point that the refs put the game out of reach by completely taking away the one thing we were doing well last night, running the football.

No man. As much as it pains me to say this, Andy put the game out of reach at the end of the first half

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol ok.

They didn’t completely abandon it, but there’s no way you can tell me they wouldn’t have run the ball a lot more if they weren’t down multiple scores.

This is common sense.

And being down multiple scores was on the Chiefs stupidity, not the refs. Hardman is the one that lined up a damn near full yard offsides on a 4th and 5. Reid is the one who gave them an extra possession to score another TD to end the half with his ridiculous timeouts.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Dbag

Tampa Bay has seen a lifetime of crappy calls and unfortunate breaks. There will be no apologizing for yellow flags, homefield advantage or substitute tackles on Kansas City’s offensive line.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Sassy Squatch]

You'll never convince me that Britt Reid didn't **** the Chiefs mentally last night. There was a lack of focus all over the field from players and coaches alike and their demeanor was piss poor.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

I agree the officiating wasn't good, but it was magnified by ineptitude of the Chiefs. Of course a penalty is going to seem worse when the team has spent the entire game shitting down its own leg. The Chiefs embarrassed themselves.

Yeah, but go into halftime at 14-6 or possibly even better and then they still kick the FG to make it 14-9 (or better) and the whole dynamic of the game changes.... I mean, it's not like the Bucs' offense was amazing either in the first half, and the first quarter+ was actually kind of great to watch in the sense that you knew it would be a dog fight, until the Bucs were gifted so many times (and I don’t even care so much about the first retaliation unsportsmanlike conduct, they should know better anyway).

And like I said, they probably still lose, but I hope the NFL takes all the shit it deserves (not that it matters in terms of future officiating bullshit).

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

You'll never convince me that Britt Reid didn't **** the Chiefs mentally last night. There was a lack of focus all over the field from players and coaches alike and their demeanor was piss poor.

There were far too many wtf moments to suggest it didn't have a significant impact. I've never seen this team, with PMII as QB, lack the sort of focus we had for an entire game. A qtr, maybe a half, but NEVER for a full game - not like this.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

You'll never convince me that Britt Reid didn't **** the Chiefs mentally last night. There was a lack of focus all over the field from players and coaches alike and their demeanor was piss poor.

Now this I agree with you about, it clearly put a dark cloud over our heads

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by RunKC

No man. As much as it pains me to say this, Andy put the game out of reach at the end of the first half

That score before half really was a gut puncher...

Game was close, Then we started calling time outs with 50 seconds to go on a short third down.

Tampa scores a TD
HalfTime
We score a FG
Tampa scores another TD


This sequence of events right here put the game out of reach because Tampas defense was playing really well and any time Tampa got the ball they just somehow managed to eat up clock and before we knew it, we were half way into the 4th.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

And being down multiple scores was on the Chiefs stupidity, not the refs. Hardman is the one that lined up a damn near full yard offsides on a 4th and 5. Reid is the one who gave them an extra possession to score another TD to end the half with his ridiculous timeouts.

Complete and utter ****ing bullshit. You want to blame it on both? You won’t find me disagreeing there, but to say the refs had nothing to do with it? Totally ridiculous.