Chiefs Yeah the line was horrendous, but the refs put this game out of reach - Page 6

dlphg9 · 02:11 PM

Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl.

7 penalties for 82 yds on KC

1 penalty for 5 yds on TB

5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime.

On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties

The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38.

The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles.

Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down.

Very next play Bucs score a TD.

Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line.

The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game.

That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor.

Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do.

There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards.

These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come.

Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been.

Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties

His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties

Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined.

Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better.

Here's some more "interesting" stats

So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized

47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards.

His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards.

Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called.

11 games

135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties

That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team

Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties

Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties.

The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12.

50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing.

Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-08-2021, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

GTFO

Show me another QB who can throw the ball while his body is parallel to the ground.

Show me a QB who can be in the grasp, throw a sidearm WITH arc over thirty yards to the endzone and hit his WR in the face mask, only to be dropped.(Williams too)

Show me a QB who can buy time in the pocket for over 400 yds and only take two sacks.

Show me a QB playing with turftoe throughout the playoffs

Show me Tom Brady with four of his starting Olinemen out.

Know how I know he's easily the most dangerous QB in the league?

Your bs post.

He's a troll look at his join date

HC_Chief · 02-08-2021, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DTVietnam

the line was amazing..look at this perfect block

Yeah, Wisniewski blocking Wylie was a perfect example of how absolute shit the OL was last night. When they DID get a decent block, it was on a teammate.

edit: surprised they didn't get flagged for holding each other

**notorious** · 02-08-2021, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bake51

Hill dropped a TD in the first quarter. Feel like Mahomes played his heart out and he just didn't have any help. Even Kelce dropped a couple balls.

Who in the hell thumbs-downed this post?

Good lord, everything you said is dead-on correct.

**Rain Man** · 02-08-2021, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pants

Dee Ford's was aggravating. There are no words for what Mecole did:

Chiefs are making a habit out of lining up offsides against Tom Brady pic.twitter.com/rGX3r0hbmT
— Korked Bats (@korkedbats) February 8, 2021

I really wish there was an overhead shot of this to see exactly where he was lined up. He may be in the neutral zone, but for crying out loud he's looking directly at the ball. How is he lined up wrong?

There were four game-changing calls in the first half that completely altered the outcome.

There was the completely wrong call against Breeland that resulted in a touchdown for the other team. There's zero doubt that the call was wrong. It's a bright line. It was not a penalty according to the NFL rulebook. I can see where the official could have screwed up honestly, though. When I saw the play live it looked like Breeland was beat and tackled the guy. That's not at all what happened, but since the official on that side of the field is not the top of the profession, I can see an honest mistake happening.

There was the neutral zone call above. It's frustrating that the same official only seems to see neutral zone violations on key plays. Maybe Mecole is over the line, because Mecole played pretty much the worst Super Bowl game ever played.

There was the call that negated Matthieu's interception and cost the Chiefs a possession. I need to see that one again to make a judgment on whether it was a legit call that would have been called on other plays.

There was the call in the end zone on Matthieu. Did that one result in a score or was that the goal line stand? Either way, I think most reasonable people didn't see contact that was worthy of a penalty.

It would be nice to figure out which officials made those specific calls. Was there a pattern in one official making all of the questionable calls? We know this officiating group is not the best in the league and they were there for reasons unrelated to their performance, but how weak are they as a group?

That said, the Chiefs were not good yesterday. They dropped two touchdown passes that would have made them competitive and probably had less than a 50 percent chance of winning on their own merits. But it would have been nice if they weren't down 20 points early because of the above four calls to give them that chance.

staylor26 · 02-08-2021, 11:10 AM

Rainman, I’ll save you from having to go back and watch the “hold” on Mathieu’s INT. It was 100% bullshit.

KC_Connection · 02-08-2021, 11:25 AM

Everyone who watched the game knows the bullshit that was the 1st half of that thing. There's a reason you even had the CBS panel saying it without saying it at halftime. It was the most obvious Brady ref show in his entire 20 year career, which is saying a lot.

Now you can certainly say the Chiefs might not have won anyway as badly as their line was outclassed, but the Bucs undeniably had 14 points gifted to them by the refs. Arguably more. Mahomes has overcome a lot in his short career, but there's just no coming back from that against a team as good as Tampa was.

Pants · 02-08-2021, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I really wish there was an overhead shot of this to see exactly where he was lined up. He may be in the neutral zone, but for crying out loud he's looking directly at the ball. How is he lined up wrong?

There were four game-changing calls in the first half that completely altered the outcome.

There was the completely wrong call against Breeland that resulted in a touchdown for the other team. There's zero doubt that the call was wrong. It's a bright line. It was not a penalty according to the NFL rulebook. I can see where the official could have screwed up honestly, though. When I saw the play live it looked like Breeland was beat and tackled the guy. That's not at all what happened, but since the official on that side of the field is not the top of the profession, I can see an honest mistake happening.

There was the neutral zone call above. It's frustrating that the same official only seems to see neutral zone violations on key plays. Maybe Mecole is over the line, because Mecole played pretty much the worst Super Bowl game ever played.

There was the call that negated Matthieu's interception and cost the Chiefs a possession. I need to see that one again to make a judgment on whether it was a legit call that would have been called on other plays.

There was the call in the end zone on Matthieu. Did that one result in a score or was that the goal line stand? Either way, I think most reasonable people didn't see contact that was worthy of a penalty.

It would be nice to figure out which officials made those specific calls. Was there a pattern in one official making all of the questionable calls? We know this officiating group is not the best in the league and they were there for reasons unrelated to their performance, but how weak are they as a group?

That said, the Chiefs were not good yesterday. They dropped two touchdown passes that would have made them competitive and probably had less than a 50 percent chance of winning on their own merits. But it would have been nice if they weren't down 20 points early because of the above four calls to give them that chance.

Oh, for sure. No doubt about it. At half time, I was saying that was the single most referee-affected game I had ever seen.

Mecca · 02-08-2021, 11:29 AM

The Chiefs had an uphill battle in a fairly called game, the NFL decided they wanted to leave no doubt. This was about their boy being established as irreplaceable, no one else ever mentioned as GOAT.

KC_Connection · 02-08-2021, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I love how people keep saying we only scored 9 pts like the officiating didn’t impact our offense.

If we aren’t down multiple scores, we could have run the ball a lot more which was clearly working. They found something there, but they weren’t able to fully exploit it because they were down too much.

They took away our ability to constantly do the one thing we were doing well offensively last night.

Yep. Have been saying it since last night. When we're royally ****ed by the refs and fall behind two touchdowns at halftime, it changes virtually everything on the offensive end for us.

gold_and_red · 02-08-2021, 11:30 AM

Consistency or lack thereof. Can't let them play in the CCGs and suddenly call ticky tacky stuff in the SB. Did not see egregious fouls by the Chiefs D on the DPIs. If they hadn't been called nobody would have broken a sweat, hardly noticeable.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 02-08-2021, 11:31 AM

With the obligatory disclaimer that “I’m not blaming this loss on the officials”, let me report that the Chiefs had 10+ penalties in just 5 of their 18 games.

Three of those five were with Carl Cheffers’s crew. Those were the only Chiefs game they did.

Cheffers 3/3
Others 2/15 pic.twitter.com/NKMkJUZ4z7
— Kurtis Seaboldt (@KSeaboldt) February 8, 2021

KC_Connection · 02-08-2021, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The Chiefs had an uphill battle in a fairly called game, the NFL decided they wanted to leave no doubt. This was about their boy being established as irreplaceable, no one else ever mentioned as GOAT.

It was my primary fear going into the game (even more than the offensive line in shambles) and it was why I was hoping hard that Rodgers (an undeniably better QB than Brady at this point in their careers and honestly for the majority of their careers) would pull that game out. Of course Brady got his DPI call at the end of that one too and that was that.

staylor26 · 02-08-2021, 11:33 AM

I suppose it’s just a coincidence that the Bucs had more beneficial PI yards than any team in 12+ years.

I suppose it’s just a coincidence that a PI call helped the Bucs seal the win against GB.

RunKC · 02-08-2021, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I love how people keep saying we only scored 9 pts like the officiating didn’t impact our offense.

If we aren’t down multiple scores, we could have run the ball a lot more which was clearly working. They found something there, but they weren’t able to fully exploit it because they were down too much.

They took away our ability to constantly do the one thing we were doing well offensively last night.

We beat ourselves too. I counted 3 passes that either hit our hands or the face mask and were dropped.

Kelce had one that killed a drive, Tyreek should have had a Td but dropped it and the miraculous Patrick pass that hit Darrel Williams in the face at the goal line.

Refs sucked but we didn’t help ourselves either

staylor26 · 02-08-2021, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

We beat ourselves too. I counted 3 passes that either hit our hands or the face mask and were dropped.

Kelce had one that killed a drive, Tyreek should have had a Td but dropped it and the miraculous Patrick pass that hit Darrel Williams in the face at the goal line.

Refs sucked but we didn’t help ourselves either

I don’t disagree.

But it’s not as simple as “they only scored 9 pts., so they would’ve lost anyways”.

The officiating changed the dynamic of the game so much that it’s impossible to say what would’ve happened.

02-08-2021, 03:11 AM
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1410347	Yeah the line was horrendous, but the refs put this game out of reach Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl. 7 penalties for 82 yds on KC 1 penalty for 5 yds on TB 5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime. On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38. The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles. Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down. Very next play Bucs score a TD. Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line. The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game. That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor. Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do. There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards. These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come. Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been. Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined. Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better. Here's some more "interesting" stats So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized 47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards. His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards. Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called. 11 games 135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties. The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12. 50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing. Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom. Last edited by dlphg9; 02-09-2021 at 02:11 PM..
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02-08-2021, 11:10 AM	#80
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02-08-2021, 11:25 AM	#81
KC_Connection Perpetual Mediocrity Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $1752783	Everyone who watched the game knows the bullshit that was the 1st half of that thing. There's a reason you even had the CBS panel saying it without saying it at halftime. It was the most obvious Brady ref show in his entire 20 year career, which is saying a lot. Now you can certainly say the Chiefs might not have won anyway as badly as their line was outclassed, but the Bucs undeniably had 14 points gifted to them by the refs. Arguably more. Mahomes has overcome a lot in his short career, but there's just no coming back from that against a team as good as Tampa was.
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02-08-2021, 11:29 AM	#83
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-492950	The Chiefs had an uphill battle in a fairly called game, the NFL decided they wanted to leave no doubt. This was about their boy being established as irreplaceable, no one else ever mentioned as GOAT.
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02-08-2021, 11:30 AM	#85
gold_and_red Veteran Join Date: Nov 2011 Casino cash: $9855412	Consistency or lack thereof. Can't let them play in the CCGs and suddenly call ticky tacky stuff in the SB. Did not see egregious fouls by the Chiefs D on the DPIs. If they hadn't been called nobody would have broken a sweat, hardly noticeable.
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02-08-2021, 11:31 AM	#86
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1326009	With the obligatory disclaimer that “I’m not blaming this loss on the officials”, let me report that the Chiefs had 10+ penalties in just 5 of their 18 games. Three of those five were with Carl Cheffers’s crew. Those were the only Chiefs game they did. Cheffers 3/3 Others 2/15 pic.twitter.com/NKMkJUZ4z7 — Kurtis Seaboldt (@KSeaboldt) February 8, 2021
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02-08-2021, 11:33 AM	#88
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-1890960	I suppose it’s just a coincidence that the Bucs had more beneficial PI yards than any team in 12+ years. I suppose it’s just a coincidence that a PI call helped the Bucs seal the win against GB.
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