Chiefs Yeah the line was horrendous, but the refs put this game out of reach - Page 5

dlphg9 · 02:11 PM

Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl.

7 penalties for 82 yds on KC

1 penalty for 5 yds on TB

5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime.

On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties

The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38.

The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles.

Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down.

Very next play Bucs score a TD.

Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line.

The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game.

That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor.

Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do.

There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards.

These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come.

Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been.

Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties

His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties

Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined.

Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better.

Here's some more "interesting" stats

So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized

47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards.

His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards.

Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called.

11 games

135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties

That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team

Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties

Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties.

The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12.

50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing.

Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom.

CaliChief83 · 02-08-2021, 10:33 AM

It was a combo. The INT should have counted, there's a td off the board. The PI and subsequent td was bullshit. But Andy shouldn't have taken the timeouts to put the team in that spot. The offsides on the FG was stupid. He looked offsides, but 120 cameras and we never saw a shit down the line?

Bake51 · 02-08-2021, 10:33 AM

Hill dropped a TD in the first quarter. Feel like Mahomes played his heart out and he just didn't have any help. Even Kelce dropped a couple balls.

**Meatloaf** · 02-08-2021, 10:34 AM

Ok, first of all, I'm old. Secondly, I've seen every Super Bowl game. Thirdly, I think that was the worst officiated game I've seen in any Super Bowl. Period.

I'm not saying this to suggest that the game was won/lost based on officiating calls (it wasn't), but simply to call out these zebras for doing a truly rotten job yesterday. A performance like this deserves public recognition......and ridicule.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-08-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

Agreed, the excuse-making is pathetic. That was the worst performance by the Chiefs since Mahomes became the starter, and the OL was far from the only reason they lost.

If the 4th and 5 FG offsides flag didn't occur then it be slightly easier to take but that was so blatant Romo and Nance were speechless watching the replay because everyone was onside

philfree · 02-08-2021, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SeattleChiefFan

The officiating didn't COST the game. The officiating RUINED the game.

This. Without the bad calls in the 1st half this game comes down to the wire and is exciting to the end regardless of the outcome.

Mecca · 02-08-2021, 10:35 AM

Mike Golic pointed out how Tampa lined up offsides repeatedly with their helmets in the OLs lap but somehow the one on the FG got called when he didn't look offside.

AdolfOliverBush · 02-08-2021, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Before the game, my thought on having people over to watch who don't really care was, meh, the conversations and what not fade to the background and I don’t mind if I'm the only one yelling at the TV....

....and then that level of BS happens and I'm really yelling at the TV, also later explaining I'm fully self aware it makes me look like a sore loser crybaby because my team is losing, but also giving the Bucs' defense credit and so forth.

I do think that level of BS should be called out... yeah, some fans try really ****ing hard to find that one holding non-call or whatever with no objectivity, but things like last night that are just as bad as that Saints/Rams DPI no call, should be called out, IMO.

It's not exactly some subjective crybaby excuse when it's that ****ing blatant.... and again, they probably still lose the game anyway, but the NFL should be called out on the garbage officiating, too.

I agree the officiating wasn't good, but it was magnified by ineptitude of the Chiefs. Of course a penalty is going to seem worse when the team has spent the entire game shitting down its own leg. The Chiefs embarrassed themselves.

staylor26 · 02-08-2021, 10:37 AM

I love how people keep saying we only scored 9 pts like the officiating didn’t impact our offense.

If we aren’t down multiple scores, we could have run the ball a lot more which was clearly working. They found something there, but they weren’t able to fully exploit it because they were down too much.

They took away our ability to constantly do the one thing we were doing well offensively last night.

theoldcoach · 02-08-2021, 10:38 AM

Hardeman was lined up offsides on the field goal by two yards!

Hell......he was lined up farther offsides farther than Dee Ford.

That's not who they called it on, but look at the replay. It wasn't even close! Hardeman was offsides by a mile.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-08-2021, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by theoldcoach

Hardeman was lined up offsides on the field goal by two yards!

Hell......he was lined up farther offsides farther than Dee Ford.

You were watching something different than I because everyone was set in the correct place

Pants · 02-08-2021, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by theoldcoach

Hardeman was lined up offsides on the field goal by two yards!

Hell......he was lined up farther offsides farther than Dee Ford.

Dee Ford's was aggravating. There are no words for what Mecole did:

Chiefs are making a habit out of lining up offsides against Tom Brady pic.twitter.com/rGX3r0hbmT
— Korked Bats (@korkedbats) February 8, 2021

theoldcoach · 02-08-2021, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

You were watching something different than I because everyone was set in the correct place

Apparently. Because Hardeman was lined up way offsides!

Mecca · 02-08-2021, 10:43 AM

You're spelling ability is kindergarten level, Jesus Christ.

stevieray · 02-08-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by okoyeandcream

Yeah I'm sorry he was great. Any other QB in the league gives that performance and we'd be piling on laughing. Hell Josh Allen was under just as much pressure two weeks ago and he at least managed to get his team in the endzone a couple times

Mahomes was flat out BAD and hopefuuly he leans from it and doesn;t make exuses to himself. That's how he'll learn

GTFO

Show me another QB who can throw the ball while his body is parallel to the ground.

Show me a QB who can be in the grasp, throw a sidearm WITH arc over thirty yards to the endzone and hit his WR in the face mask, only to be dropped.(Williams too)

Show me a QB who can buy time in the pocket for over 400 yds and only take two sacks.

Show me a QB playing with turftoe throughout the playoffs

Show me Tom Brady with four of his starting Olinemen out.

Know how I know he's easily the most dangerous QB in the league?

Your bs post.

MahomesMagic · 02-08-2021, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

GTFO

Show me another QB who can throw the ball while his body is parallel to the ground.

Show me a QB who can be in the grasp, throw a sidearm WITH arc over thirty yards to the endzone and hit his WR in the face mask, only to be dropped.(Williams too)

Show me a QB who can buy time in the pocket for over 400 yds and only take two sacks.

Show me a QB playing with turftoe throughout the playoffs

Show me Tom Brady with four of his starting Olinemen out.

Know how I know he's easily the most dangerous QB in the league?

Your bs post.

We have the most valuable foundation piece in a 25 year old PM2. Brady is more accomplished, Mahomes is a better player right now.

02-08-2021, 03:11 AM
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1410347	Yeah the line was horrendous, but the refs put this game out of reach Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl. 7 penalties for 82 yds on KC 1 penalty for 5 yds on TB 5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime. On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38. The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles. Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down. Very next play Bucs score a TD. Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line. The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game. That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor. Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do. There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards. These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come. Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been. Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined. Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better. Here's some more "interesting" stats So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized 47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards. His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards. Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called. 11 games 135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties. The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12. 50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing. Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom. Last edited by dlphg9; 02-09-2021 at 02:11 PM..
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02-08-2021, 10:33 AM	#61
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02-08-2021, 10:33 AM	#62
Bake51 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2021 Casino cash: $10000400	Hill dropped a TD in the first quarter. Feel like Mahomes played his heart out and he just didn't have any help. Even Kelce dropped a couple balls.
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02-08-2021, 10:34 AM	#63
Meatloaf Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $2080359	Ok, first of all, I'm old. Secondly, I've seen every Super Bowl game. Thirdly, I think that was the worst officiated game I've seen in any Super Bowl. Period. I'm not saying this to suggest that the game was won/lost based on officiating calls (it wasn't), but simply to call out these zebras for doing a truly rotten job yesterday. A performance like this deserves public recognition......and ridicule.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-492950	Mike Golic pointed out how Tampa lined up offsides repeatedly with their helmets in the OLs lap but somehow the one on the FG got called when he didn't look offside.
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staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-1890960	I love how people keep saying we only scored 9 pts like the officiating didn’t impact our offense. If we aren’t down multiple scores, we could have run the ball a lot more which was clearly working. They found something there, but they weren’t able to fully exploit it because they were down too much. They took away our ability to constantly do the one thing we were doing well offensively last night.
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02-08-2021, 10:38 AM	#69
theoldcoach Veteran Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Missouri Casino cash: $9640400	Hardeman was lined up offsides on the field goal by two yards! Hell......he was lined up farther offsides farther than Dee Ford. That's not who they called it on, but look at the replay. It wasn't even close! Hardeman was offsides by a mile.
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02-08-2021, 10:43 AM	#73
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-492950	You're spelling ability is kindergarten level, Jesus Christ.
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