Spin-Off: Reiter & Wylie need to get better, or GTFO

[Dante84]

Spinning off because we need a bright light being shown on these assholes immediately. They've been riding our offense's coattails for too long and are overstaying their welcome.

They are going to get Patrick killed either by letting someone come free up the middle directly, or by forcing him to drift back and get crushed by an edge rusher who doesn't have to bend.

They are stifling Clyde's opportunities by getting thrown in the way.

Getting beat by single dudes in pass rush, getting walked back into our RB lanes when Run blocking... Not Okay.

Pretty crazy stats courtesy of @PFF:

This season, Clyde has averaged 6.6 ypc and has EIGHT 10+ yard runs when rushing towards the left side of the OL. His only TD was that direction as well.

To the right.. 2.7 ypc , ZERO 10+ yard runs#Chiefs

— Ron Kopp Jr. (@Ron_Kopp) October 9, 2020

Are you ****ing kidding me with this rep:

Poor Kelce gets laid out by the end on his route. Still trying to figure out who a two player rush gets that much pressure to force Mahomes to throw it early. Otherwise might be a walk in TD there with another second or two. #JacobsEyeInTheSky pic.twitter.com/bLh2SHKHHN

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 9, 2020

"Sorry, Clyde, can't go left here, I'm coming through..."

Kelce frustrated with himself here for not pulling up into the hole and taking on 51. Ideally you want to see CEH potentially bounce this one outside. #JacobsEyeInTheSky pic.twitter.com/1uLqbUrxre

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 9, 2020

Patriots run a cross fire. Wylie can’t get the inside shoulder. His defender gets off the block. Reiter’s defender gets off his block. 50 sets the edge on Keizer forcing the run back inside. #JacobsEyeInTheSky pic.twitter.com/fHcALIcHfU

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 9, 2020

Wylie and Yelder had some run blocking issues here. CEH already having to spin by the time he gets the handoff. #JacobsEyeInTheSky pic.twitter.com/5iPA41y95s

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 9, 2020

Compare that to the Left Side:

Fisher and Osemele create a hole. Awesome backside cut by Kelce. Like to see Keizer get some push so CEH has more room to work. One of the better blocked runs of the night. #JacobsEyeInTheSky pic.twitter.com/Ro94XwNt42

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 9, 2020

The down block by Osemele and Fisher is crucial here. The open up the whole play. They knock 91 into a new zip code and create the whole for CEH to follow through. #JacobsEyeInTheSky pic.twitter.com/ahqXSoepl4

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 9, 2020

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Dante84

Which might be a product of his neighbors sucking ass

I'm sorry, but Schwartz letting 1v1 matchups ride him directly into Mahomes lap has nothing to do with the RG or C.

He's simply not playing well.

And you're simultaneously heaping a disproportionate amount of blame on those 2 without acknowledging the role Schwartz has played as well as the rough game both Fisher AND Osemele (not to mention Mahomes) had in the only truly bad game the OL played this year against SD.

These two guys aren't great players - they aren't gonna give you a lot of great football. But they're good pass blockers who will give you credible performance. Such is the nature of a cap league - gotta rob peter to pay Paul if you're gonna maintain 7 guys on your roster who are at/near the top of their respective position groups.

Would I like them to be better? Sure - and keep an eye on weeks 8-10 to see if Rankin gets back and makes a difference. But they're viable NFL players who by and large perform admirably.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Yet the likes of Andy Reid and Eric Bieniemy have him ahead of Yelder and RSJ.

Hence my question to the audience.

Are YOU seeing something I'm not?

Because it's readily apparent that EB and Andy are.

[RunKC]

We’ll get Niang back and I think he’s a great candidate for either G position, however I think we need to make an investment again. I’d like another top 100 pick at C or G. Maybe our 2nd which will be a sweet spot for those players.

[kgrund]

When would Rankins be able to return and possibly get in the mix at Guard?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kgrund

When would Rankins be able to return and possibly get in the mix at Guard?

Earliest he can return is week 7 against Denver (IIRC).

I don't imagine there's any chance he returns that early - Reid will want him to get a lot of team reps first.

If he proves capable of helping, I'm guessing week 10 is when Reid may send him out there. But ultimately HE'S the guy that they have to hope seizes the job because Remmers just isn't up for it over any appreciable timeline, IMO. He really limits what we can do on the ground and we're already struggling in that regard. As for pass pro, he's pretty much a wash with Wylie.

But if Rankin takes the gig, he'll have to clearly deserve it because we know how much Andy hates tinkering with his OL in-season. Continuity is huge for him.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm sorry, but Schwartz letting 1v1 matchups ride him directly into Mahomes lap has nothing to do with the RG or C.

He's simply not playing well.

And you're simultaneously heaping a disproportionate amount of blame on those 2 without acknowledging the role Schwartz has played as well as the rough game both Fisher AND Osemele (not to mention Mahomes) had in the only truly bad game the OL played this year against SD.

These two guys aren't great players - they aren't gonna give you a lot of great football. But they're good pass blockers who will give you credible performance. Such is the nature of a cap league - gotta rob peter to pay Paul if you're gonna maintain 7 guys on your roster who are at/near the top of their respective position groups.

Would I like them to be better? Sure - and keep an eye on weeks 8-10 to see if Rankin gets back and makes a difference. But they're viable NFL players who by and large perform admirably.

Fair enough, but Schwartz is an All-Pro who was elite last season, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I made a similar thread about a year ago. Wylie got hurt and Reiter improved a ton. I just don’t think Wylie is very good at all.

Hes not. He got cut by the Colts a few years ago when they had one of the worst lines in the league. Its amazing people have defended that turd.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

There was a reason why the Chiefs running game was more effective when Wylie went out. There is also a reason why Wylie didn't play again after Wisneiwski came in for him. I keep thinking they are going to address center and or guard and they don't exactly do it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC

There was a reason why the Chiefs running game was more effective when Wylie went out. There is also a reason why Wylie didn't play again after Wisneiwski came in for him. I keep thinking they are going to address center and or guard and they don't exactly do it.

The Chiefs had their best game of the season on the ground in Week 1 against the Texans with Wylie in the starting lineup.

The running game writ large improved in 2019 when Fisher and LDT returned, as well as once Williams got healthy and back in a groove.

Setting all that aside - who cares? Wylie's strength isn't in run blocking, nor is the offense designed around it - he's a pass-blocker...on a passing team. What he DOES do is present a credible threat to kick out on a pull and thus gives the sprint actions, etc... more weight in situations where the Chiefs are going to PASS out of them.

You put Remmers in there and those spring actions are going to be less effective because nobody is going to cheat to keep an angle on Mike Remmers - he's way too heavy footed.

The team isn't better w/ Remmers at RG than Wylie. It might be better w/ Rankin there if he returns healthy because he maintains Wylie's athleticism with better functional strength. So you can present the same actions and get similar responses.

You put Remmers in there full-time and it will be immediately apparent how incapable he is of getting to the outside and all those little tricky window dressing things we do will be less viable.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Our interior line was a problem last season and it’s a problem this season

The offensive line is passable, mainly bc of our tackles, but it’s the next area that Veach needs to address. Especially run blocking o line man. Our dudes can’t get a push most of the time.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

It's no coincidence that everyone says Fisher is playing better than Schwartz with Osemele next to him. I don't think Eric has ever had such a presence next to him at LG. It does make a huge difference for a tackle to have a monster like him playing beside you.

I honestly really didn't fully realize just how bad Reiter and Wylie were until I saw Osemele out their just mauling people every week. That dude is the most impressive interior lineman we've had on this team in quite some time. We really need another guy like that at RG, and then maybe you get away with having a guy like Reiter at center. The combo of Reiter and Wylie though is simply not cutting it.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I think the Chiefs would like Niang to replace Schwartz long term.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Yet the likes of Andy Reid and Eric Bieniemy have him ahead of Yelder and RSJ.

Andy Reid is one of the greatest coaches in NFL history, but he is not infallible.

[cmh6476]

I thought corner would be a high priority going into next year's draft. It's probably OL help.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Andy Reid is one of the greatest coaches in NFL history, but he is not infallible.

This is very true. He may have too much faith in Tom Melvin. I will still believe that those guys who see all of these players are evaluating them properly. We have not seen RSJ and extremely limited amounts of Yeldor to know or say they are misevaluating these players.

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